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Do tell how Blackppol is faring under 14 years of tory governments bp and that you are advocating for another 5 years. Asking for a friend.
Starmer on ITV saying the u turn is necessary because the Tories are "maxing out the government credit card". Great politics, in no way shackles them to an illiterate economic policy. Very smart, very grown up.
As I say, the first thing to do is win an election.Doesn't matter how "right" you are on the economics. If the other side gets traction by battering you down as economically untrustworthy, you lose.See 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019.You lose the election and you can be as right as you want. It does f**k all good. Win the election and all sorts of "circumstances" can change afterwards.Because this is real politics. Not a student debating club.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 09, 2024, 02:07:51 pmAs I say, the first thing to do is win an election.Doesn't matter how "right" you are on the economics. If the other side gets traction by battering you down as economically untrustworthy, you lose.See 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019.You lose the election and you can be as right as you want. It does f**k all good. Win the election and all sorts of "circumstances" can change afterwards.Because this is real politics. Not a student debating club.There was a fella on here who used to say that undermining objective truth was the biggest threat to our society. Hope he's doing alright, wherever he is.
As I say, the first thing to do is win an election.Doesn't matter how "right" you are on the economics. If the other side gets traction by battering you down as economically untrustworthy, you lose.See 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019.You lose the election and you can be as right as you want. It does f**k all good. Win the election and all sorts of "circumstances" can change afterwards.Because this is real politics. Not a student debating club.
Quote from: MachoMadness on February 09, 2024, 01:56:36 pmStarmer on ITV saying the u turn is necessary because the Tories are "maxing out the government credit card". Great politics, in no way shackles them to an illiterate economic policy. Very smart, very grown up.Is there any evidence Labour would have spent less?And what is the difference between this and Cameron’s rhetoric in 2010?*edit sorry I think I just clocked your sarcasm
Starmer on ITV saying the u turn is necessary because the Tories are "maxing out the government credit card". Great politics, in no way shackles them to an illiterate economic policy. Very smart, very grown up.
Quote from: ncRover on February 09, 2024, 03:01:26 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on February 09, 2024, 01:56:36 pmStarmer on ITV saying the u turn is necessary because the Tories are "maxing out the government credit card". Great politics, in no way shackles them to an illiterate economic policy. Very smart, very grown up.Is there any evidence Labour would have spent less?And what is the difference between this and Cameron’s rhetoric in 2010?*edit sorry I think I just clocked your sarcasm See bpoolrover's post above. He continues to trot out Cameron's retoric from 2010 and it was and still is a lie. The UK national debt when Labour left office in 2010 was just under £1 trillion. It is now over £2.5 trillion TWO AND A HALF TIMES as much. Cameron lied to the public, and was helped by the media not least the BBC who kept repeating this lie 'there's no money left' he and they knew as well as anyone that sovereign governments can never run out of money. It's a political choice on how much debt they run up - and how they choose to repay that debt.Cameron lied repeatedly, Starmer has downsized his pledges. The public will judge if these things are the same.
Quote from: MachoMadness on February 09, 2024, 01:56:36 pmStarmer on ITV saying the u turn is necessary because the Tories are "maxing out the government credit card". Great politics, in no way shackles them to an illiterate economic policy. Very smart, very grown up.Is there any evidence Labour would have spent less?And what is the difference between this and Cameron’s rhetoric in 2010?*edit sorry I think I just clocked your sarcasm
Starmer on ITV saying the u turn is necessary because the Tories are "maxing out the government credit card". Great politics, in no way shackles them to an illiterate economic policy. Very smart, very grown up.
Unfortunately the UK under the tories was not fully prepared for either, aye?The government had full knowledge that a pandemic was likely at some time, fmd they even conducted events played out scenarios. The NHS near broke and a shortage of staff.Did the security services let the UK down following the invasion of the Crimea or even before that?
Quote from: SydneyRover on February 09, 2024, 10:01:56 pmUnfortunately the UK under the tories was not fully prepared for either, aye?The government had full knowledge that a pandemic was likely at some time, fmd they even conducted events played out scenarios. The NHS near broke and a shortage of staff.Did the security services let the UK down following the invasion of the Crimea or even before that? Hey Syd which nations were prepared for either event?
Quote from: MachoMadness on February 09, 2024, 03:19:43 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 09, 2024, 02:07:51 pmAs I say, the first thing to do is win an election.Doesn't matter how "right" you are on the economics. If the other side gets traction by battering you down as economically untrustworthy, you lose.See 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019.You lose the election and you can be as right as you want. It does f**k all good. Win the election and all sorts of "circumstances" can change afterwards.Because this is real politics. Not a student debating club.There was a fella on here who used to say that undermining objective truth was the biggest threat to our society. Hope he's doing alright, wherever he is.I've always thought you were a smart lad, but you don't seem to understand what Objective Truth is.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 09, 2024, 02:07:51 pmAs I say, the first thing to do is win an election.Doesn't matter how "right" you are on the economics. If the other side gets traction by battering you down as economically untrustworthy, you lose.See 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019.You lose the election and you can be as right as you want. It does f**k all good. Win the election and all sorts of "circumstances" can change afterwards.Because this is real politics. Not a student debating club.There was a fella on here who used to say that undermining objective truth was the biggest threat to our society. Hope he's doing alright, wherever he is.
As I say, the first thing to do is win an election.Doesn't matter how "right" you are on the economics. If the other side gets traction by battering you down as economically untrustworthy, you lose.See 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019.You lose the election and you can be as right as you want. It does f**k all good. Win the election and all sorts of "circumstances" can change afterwards.Because this is real politics. Not a student debating club.
Quote from: wilts rover on February 09, 2024, 07:49:26 pmQuote from: ncRover on February 09, 2024, 03:01:26 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on February 09, 2024, 01:56:36 pmStarmer on ITV saying the u turn is necessary because the Tories are "maxing out the government credit card". Great politics, in no way shackles them to an illiterate economic policy. Very smart, very grown up.Is there any evidence Labour would have spent less?And what is the difference between this and Cameron’s rhetoric in 2010?*edit sorry I think I just clocked your sarcasm See bpoolrover's post above. He continues to trot out Cameron's retoric from 2010 and it was and still is a lie. The UK national debt when Labour left office in 2010 was just under £1 trillion. It is now over £2.5 trillion TWO AND A HALF TIMES as much. Cameron lied to the public, and was helped by the media not least the BBC who kept repeating this lie 'there's no money left' he and they knew as well as anyone that sovereign governments can never run out of money. It's a political choice on how much debt they run up - and how they choose to repay that debt.Cameron lied repeatedly, Starmer has downsized his pledges. The public will judge if these things are the same.One word PANDEMIC, another word WAR ! Grow up Wilts
Quote from: ncRover on February 09, 2024, 03:01:26 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on February 09, 2024, 01:56:36 pmStarmer on ITV saying the u turn is necessary because the Tories are "maxing out the government credit card". Great politics, in no way shackles them to an illiterate economic policy. Very smart, very grown up.Is there any evidence Labour would have spent less?And what is the difference between this and Cameron’s rhetoric in 2010?*edit sorry I think I just clocked your sarcasm See bpoolrover's post above. He continues to trot out Cameron's retoric from 2010 and it was and still is a lie. The UK national debt when Labour left office in 2010 was just under £1 trillion. It is now over £2.5 trillion TWO AND A HALF TIMES as much. Cameron lied to the public, and was helped by the media not least the BBC who kept repeating this lie 'there's no money left' he and they knew as well as anyone that sovereign governments can never run out of money. It's a political choice on how much debt they run up - and how they choose to repay that debt.Cameron lied repeatedly, Starmer has downsized his pledges. The public will judge if these things are the same.
Quote from: MachoMadness on February 09, 2024, 01:56:36 pmStarmer on ITV saying the u turn is necessary because the Tories are "maxing out the government credit card". Great politics, in no way shackles them to an illiterate economic policy. Very smart, very grown up.Is there any evidence Labour would have spent less?And what is the difference between this and Cameron’s rhetoric in 2010?*edit sorry I think I just clocked your sarcasm
Starmer on ITV saying the u turn is necessary because the Tories are "maxing out the government credit card". Great politics, in no way shackles them to an illiterate economic policy. Very smart, very grown up.