Starmer

[scawsby steve]

Has heaped praise on Thatcher in a new interview.

We now know for sure just how much empathy he has with ex-mining communities in the North that she obliterated.

[drfchound]

I’m waiting for someone to ask you for evidence of the interview mate.

[albie]

Keith has also declared that he is a "Zionist without qualification", or words to that effect.

I am surprised anyone is surprised by him any more.
Anti trade union to boot, and opposed to any form of socialist policies......an utter disgrace!

[Colemans Left Hook]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/thatcher-starmer-praise/

and heres a funny one

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-starmer-says-vast-majority-of-women-dont-have-a-penis-and-need-safe-spaces/

[Bentley Bullet]

Keith has also declared that he is a "Zionist without qualification", or words to that effect.

I am surprised anyone is surprised by him any more.
Anti trade union to boot, and opposed to any form of socialist policies......an utter disgrace!

Hey, he's gonna be our new leader. Show some respect!

[Bentley Bullet]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/thatcher-starmer-praise/

and heres a funny one

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-starmer-says-vast-majority-of-women-dont-have-a-penis-and-need-safe-spaces/

Very soon we'll all have a penis to stand behind.

[SydneyRover]

commentors 1-2-3 oops and 4, gosh make that 5, all you have to do is vote to elect the next tory government whom would succeed cameron-may-johnson-truss-megarichy? who could possibly better them aye? Unless of course you have another leader, another party up your collective sleeves?

Don't snap too hard and break the line when they throw you the next exciting big idea at you, what could it be I wonder ..... A big society wrapped in sovrenty wrapped in northern power house wrapped in levelling up wrapped in hmmm lower immigration wrapped in little britain. As long as you don't need a working economy, nhs, clean waterways, a working rail system .............

[Bentley Bullet]

Yeah, the country is crying out for a disloyal, backstabbing, U-turning, smarmy-faced, lying dick like Keir Starmer.

Every nation gets the government it deserves.

[SydneyRover]

Yeah, the country is crying out for a disloyal, backstabbing, U-turning, smarmy-faced, lying dick like Keir Starmer.

Every nation gets the government it deserves.

You have to have a plan bb, have you got one? a better one than another tory government?

Look how the tories leap into action in a crisis, they had a plan, to enrich as many of their donors and mates as possible almost as covid hit they sprung into action.

[Bentley Bullet]

So let's vote for a party leader who originally supported Corbyn, but then completely did a U-turn and stabbed him in the back, and then believe in him as a trustworthy, new leader who is honest enough to vote for.

Yeah, OK.

[SydneyRover]

So let's vote for a party leader who originally supported Corbyn, but then completely did a U-turn and stabbed him in the back, and then believe in him as a trustworthy, new leader who is honest enough to vote for.

Yeah, OK.

If that's your plan bb then do it bb, would you prefer corbyn? that appears to be what you are saying.

Politics and who runs the country is arguably the most important area that can possibly change people's lives from cradle to beyond the grave and the more people involved the better, no matter who they vote for, because the majority will always outnumber the extremists.

What have you done, what are you doing?

[normal rules]

Interesting that starmer heaped praise on former PM Attlee. Quoting  Attlee wrote that “ Labour must be a party of duty and patriotism, not abstract theory."

I wonder what Attlee would think about how patriotism is viewed these days by some on the Left?

[drfchound]

Syd, the defender of, well I’m not really sure.

[wilts rover]

Love how the Thatcherite acolyties suddenly don't like people praising their heroine!!!

It's almost as if they were....

[ravenrover]

Yeah, the country is crying out for a disloyal, backstabbing, U-turning, smarmy-faced, lying dick like Keir Starmer.

Every nation gets the government it deserves.

Haven't we already had at least 2 that fall into that same category in the last 2 years?

[drfchound]

Yeah, the country is crying out for a disloyal, backstabbing, U-turning, smarmy-faced, lying dick like Keir Starmer.

Every nation gets the government it deserves.

Haven't we already had at least 2 that fall into that same category in the last 2 years?

We have raven, so do we need another one?

[ravenrover]

What or who is the alternative SS? It needs to be a real alternative not wishfull thinking

[BillyStubbsTears]

Funny, int it, people's self-righteous attitude to politicians.

When they don't agree with the other side, politicians are too tribal.

When they do agree with the other side, they are traitors.

Maybe some people just make their minds up first, then shoehorn the evidence to fit?

[drfchound]

Funny, int it, people's self-righteous attitude to politicians.

When they don't agree with the other side, politicians are too tribal.

When they do agree with the other side, they are traitors.

Maybe some people just make their minds up first, then shoehorn the evidence to fit?

Very funny that YOU should have written that.

[tyke1962]

Funny, int it, people's self-righteous attitude to politicians.

When they don't agree with the other side, politicians are too tribal.

When they do agree with the other side, they are traitors.

Maybe some people just make their minds up first, then shoehorn the evidence to fit?

Or one of the most divisive PM's in British history who did decades of harm to the former industrial heartlands of this country , wasn't afraid to unleash her own private militia in order to achieve her aims against people whose only crime was to want to go to work , used huge amounts of the North Sea Oil revenue to fund her destruction of the above with parts of the country never recovering to this day and then brought in one of the most insane and unfair taxes ever bestowed upon the people of this country .

Abroad she befriended mass murderer Colonel Pinochet and didn't seem too concerned that Nelson Mandela had rotted in prison for decades for the crime of black politician .

When you heap praise on Thatcher as leader of the party that's meant to represent working people then don't be surprised that many people find comments like that incredibly insulting .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.

I'm looking really carefully, but I can't see anywhere where Starmer had praised any of those things you listed that Thatcher did.

What's your point, exactly?

[belton rover]

It seems to me that Starmer will simply do or say anything to tempt voters to ‘cross the floor’.
He’s like a slimy real estate agent.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It seems to me that Starmer will simply do or say anything to tempt voters to ‘cross the floor’.
He’s like a slimy real estate agent.

Belton

There's a political war coming down the tracks. The Tories WILL go into meltdown mode when they lose next year. They are going to go full on, batshit far right.

Labour, looking medium term, has two options.

1) Alienate the moderates on the centre right. Tell them.Labour is not for them. Leave them no option but to support a neo-fascist party, headed by someone like Braverman and thereby give them something of a wind under that party's wings.

2) Claim the centre ground. Be the grown up party in the new battle between democratic values and sense, against autocratic authoritarianism and the madness of Culture War.

You think I'm exaggerating? Look over the pond. A man who tried to start a coup d'etat is favourite to win next year.

You think that can't happen here? It can and it will if we don't wise up to what the real battle lines are.

I don't need to state that I was no lover of Thatcherism. But she was a totally different type of Tory to the ones that are going to fight like rats in a sack to inherit the Party after next year. Anyone who understands that danger, understands the need to draw dividing lines that are not influenced by old party loyalties.

[tyke1962]

Tyke.

I'm looking really carefully, but I can't see anywhere where Starmer had praised any of those things you listed that Thatcher did.

What's your point, exactly?

Did the words crediting Thatcher for " effecting meaningful change " not register with you .

21 points in front and Keith is so insecure he woos Tory voters with praise of their heroine .

No doubt completely detached from the very people who find any praise of her Premiership akin to a red rag to a bull , votes he clearly believes are in the bag .

Have a check Keith on the millions of votes your party lost between 1997 and 2005 .

[tyke1962]

It seems to me that Starmer will simply do or say anything to tempt voters to ‘cross the floor’.
He’s like a slimy real estate agent.

Belton

There's a political war coming down the tracks. The Tories WILL go into meltdown mode when they lose next year. They are going to go full on, batshit far right.

Labour, looking medium term, has two options.

1) Alienate the moderates on the centre right. Tell them.Labour is not for them. Leave them no option but to support a neo-fascist party, headed by someone like Braverman and thereby give them something of a wind under that party's wings.

2) Claim the centre ground. Be the grown up party in the new battle between democratic values and sense, against autocratic authoritarianism and the madness of Culture War.

You think I'm exaggerating? Look over the pond. A man who tried to start a coup d'etat is favourite to win next year.

You think that can't happen here? It can and it will if we don't wise up to what the real battle lines are.

I don't need to state that I was no lover of Thatcherism. But she was a totally different type of Tory to the ones that are going to fight like rats in a sack to inherit the Party after next year. Anyone who understands that danger, understands the need to draw dividing lines that are not influenced by old party loyalties.

The rise of the far right won't come from Epsom or Richmond in North Yorkshire it will come from Grimsby and Stoke On Trent Billy .

[Bristol Red Rover]

Politics is seen as a game by too many. Its a game played out within the establishment where the rules are fixed in favour of... the establishment. With the Starmer regime we have moved to the politics of the US where there is a fairly meaningless choice of red or blue establishment, no balance is forthcoming.

I suspect this next election will go fairly smoothly for the establishment. After that I can only hope some level of honesty, authenticity kicks in, but I doubt it. Britain will get what it deserves,  the majority will suffer for the few.

[belton rover]

It seems to me that Starmer will simply do or say anything to tempt voters to ‘cross the floor’.
He’s like a slimy real estate agent.

Belton

There's a political war coming down the tracks. The Tories WILL go into meltdown mode when they lose next year. They are going to go full on, batshit far right.

Labour, looking medium term, has two options.

1) Alienate the moderates on the centre right. Tell them.Labour is not for them. Leave them no option but to support a neo-fascist party, headed by someone like Braverman and thereby give them something of a wind under that party's wings.

2) Claim the centre ground. Be the grown up party in the new battle between democratic values and sense, against autocratic authoritarianism and the madness of Culture War.

You think I'm exaggerating? Look over the pond. A man who tried to start a coup d'etat is favourite to win next year.

You think that can't happen here? It can and it will if we don't wise up to what the real battle lines are.

I don't need to state that I was no lover of Thatcherism. But she was a totally different type of Tory to the ones that are going to fight like rats in a sack to inherit the Party after next year. Anyone who understands that danger, understands the need to draw dividing lines that are not influenced by old party loyalties.

Well if you’re right about this, Billy, then what a sorry state of affairs this all is. If this is is what the Labour party need to do to prevent what you fear, then God help the country.

My political mind is much, much simpler than yours.
I just don’t think Starmer is to be trusted to make our country a better place.
It’s all very depressing.

[ncRover]

Those who are disenfranchised with Labour currently - who will you vote for?

[danumdon]

A great many of the electorate will be listening very carefully to the style and tone of message espousing from the mouth of this individual.

A great many will be confused and wonder where are the elements of a Labour manifesto in his confusing rhetoric.

A great many others will be wondering how long he can carry on down this road before he gets found out for the fraud that he intends to bestow upon the population of this country.

Does he really believe he can con the electorate into believing he's had some sort of enlightenment conversion and after the election revert to type and backtrack on every utterance that's spilled out of his mouth?

Are we not rightfully castigating the current failures for this very public failure?

Rightly comes across as a man with no morals and political consensus, in effect worse than the Tories who have been rightly, constantly castigated for it on this forum, talk about double standards.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It seems to me that Starmer will simply do or say anything to tempt voters to ‘cross the floor’.
He’s like a slimy real estate agent.

Belton

There's a political war coming down the tracks. The Tories WILL go into meltdown mode when they lose next year. They are going to go full on, batshit far right.

Labour, looking medium term, has two options.

1) Alienate the moderates on the centre right. Tell them.Labour is not for them. Leave them no option but to support a neo-fascist party, headed by someone like Braverman and thereby give them something of a wind under that party's wings.

2) Claim the centre ground. Be the grown up party in the new battle between democratic values and sense, against autocratic authoritarianism and the madness of Culture War.

You think I'm exaggerating? Look over the pond. A man who tried to start a coup d'etat is favourite to win next year.

You think that can't happen here? It can and it will if we don't wise up to what the real battle lines are.

I don't need to state that I was no lover of Thatcherism. But she was a totally different type of Tory to the ones that are going to fight like rats in a sack to inherit the Party after next year. Anyone who understands that danger, understands the need to draw dividing lines that are not influenced by old party loyalties.

Well if you’re right about this, Billy, then what a sorry state of affairs this all is. If this is is what the Labour party need to do to prevent what you fear, then God help the country.

My political mind is much, much simpler than yours.
I just don’t think Starmer is to be trusted to make our country a better place.
It’s all very depressing.

Sorry state of affairs?

We'll aye. Have you not seen what our Government has been like recently?

The total lack of engagement with objective truth?

The regular venom-dripping announcements from a Home Secretary (a HOME SECRETARY!) that the legal system is the enemy?

The rantings of a recent PM that the civil service is the enemy?

The way the pair of them are positioning themselves for the fight to take the soul of the party in their directions?

The total lack of any ideas coming from the centre or left of the Tory party as to what its purpose is?

Do you reckon the Tory party is going to say "Fair dos. We'll start acting sensibly now" after the humiliation that is coming down the tracks at them next year?