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Keith has also declared that he is a "Zionist without qualification", or words to that effect.I am surprised anyone is surprised by him any more.Anti trade union to boot, and opposed to any form of socialist policies......an utter disgrace!
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/thatcher-starmer-praise/and heres a funny onehttps://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-starmer-says-vast-majority-of-women-dont-have-a-penis-and-need-safe-spaces/
Yeah, the country is crying out for a disloyal, backstabbing, U-turning, smarmy-faced, lying dick like Keir Starmer.Every nation gets the government it deserves.
So let's vote for a party leader who originally supported Corbyn, but then completely did a U-turn and stabbed him in the back, and then believe in him as a trustworthy, new leader who is honest enough to vote for. Yeah, OK.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 03, 2023, 12:54:54 amYeah, the country is crying out for a disloyal, backstabbing, U-turning, smarmy-faced, lying dick like Keir Starmer.Every nation gets the government it deserves.Haven't we already had at least 2 that fall into that same category in the last 2 years?
Funny, int it, people's self-righteous attitude to politicians.When they don't agree with the other side, politicians are too tribal.When they do agree with the other side, they are traitors.Maybe some people just make their minds up first, then shoehorn the evidence to fit?
It seems to me that Starmer will simply do or say anything to tempt voters to ‘cross the floor’.He’s like a slimy real estate agent.
Tyke.I'm looking really carefully, but I can't see anywhere where Starmer had praised any of those things you listed that Thatcher did.What's your point, exactly?
Quote from: belton rover on December 03, 2023, 04:42:39 pmIt seems to me that Starmer will simply do or say anything to tempt voters to ‘cross the floor’.He’s like a slimy real estate agent.BeltonThere's a political war coming down the tracks. The Tories WILL go into meltdown mode when they lose next year. They are going to go full on, batshit far right. Labour, looking medium term, has two options. 1) Alienate the moderates on the centre right. Tell them.Labour is not for them. Leave them no option but to support a neo-fascist party, headed by someone like Braverman and thereby give them something of a wind under that party's wings.2) Claim the centre ground. Be the grown up party in the new battle between democratic values and sense, against autocratic authoritarianism and the madness of Culture War.You think I'm exaggerating? Look over the pond. A man who tried to start a coup d'etat is favourite to win next year.You think that can't happen here? It can and it will if we don't wise up to what the real battle lines are.I don't need to state that I was no lover of Thatcherism. But she was a totally different type of Tory to the ones that are going to fight like rats in a sack to inherit the Party after next year. Anyone who understands that danger, understands the need to draw dividing lines that are not influenced by old party loyalties.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 03, 2023, 05:05:14 pmQuote from: belton rover on December 03, 2023, 04:42:39 pmIt seems to me that Starmer will simply do or say anything to tempt voters to ‘cross the floor’.He’s like a slimy real estate agent.BeltonThere's a political war coming down the tracks. The Tories WILL go into meltdown mode when they lose next year. They are going to go full on, batshit far right. Labour, looking medium term, has two options. 1) Alienate the moderates on the centre right. Tell them.Labour is not for them. Leave them no option but to support a neo-fascist party, headed by someone like Braverman and thereby give them something of a wind under that party's wings.2) Claim the centre ground. Be the grown up party in the new battle between democratic values and sense, against autocratic authoritarianism and the madness of Culture War.You think I'm exaggerating? Look over the pond. A man who tried to start a coup d'etat is favourite to win next year.You think that can't happen here? It can and it will if we don't wise up to what the real battle lines are.I don't need to state that I was no lover of Thatcherism. But she was a totally different type of Tory to the ones that are going to fight like rats in a sack to inherit the Party after next year. Anyone who understands that danger, understands the need to draw dividing lines that are not influenced by old party loyalties. Well if you’re right about this, Billy, then what a sorry state of affairs this all is. If this is is what the Labour party need to do to prevent what you fear, then God help the country.My political mind is much, much simpler than yours.I just don’t think Starmer is to be trusted to make our country a better place.It’s all very depressing.