Starmer

[drfchound]

Some Labour supporters think that a massive Labour win is inevitable according to posts I have recently read on here.

[ravenrover]

From Alastair Campbell

If you read the article rather than the headline he was making the point that PMs have the capacity to make radical lasting change. I think it would be odd not to agree that Thatcher did, as did Attlee and TB who he also mentioned

[DonnyOsmond]

Totally wrong, the Tories are in an awful place.  The right will vote for Reform, the majority of central tory voters will vote labour who are largely enacting policies the tories would vote for.

My question is this.  Labour are proposing policies most of their voters on here have derided for years, are you still going to vote for them because they are labour?

As it stands I've no hesitation voting for labour at all, which means surely many of you won't want to?

Aye, center-right folk like yourself wanting to vote Labour and Starmers comments about Thatcher shows where Labour have gone to, yet some on here seem to want to shame people for considering not voting for Labour and accuse them of proxy voting to keep the Tories in, despite being more of the same but with a red rosette. Personally I'll consider which way to go when policies are announced but they're definitely taking the center-left vote for granted.

[roverstillidie91]

Some Labour supporters think that a massive Labour win is inevitable according to posts I have recently read on here.

absolute delusion on Labour's part

[roverstillidie91]

Totally wrong, the Tories are in an awful place.  The right will vote for Reform, the majority of central tory voters will vote labour who are largely enacting policies the tories would vote for.

My question is this.  Labour are proposing policies most of their voters on here have derided for years, are you still going to vote for them because they are labour?

As it stands I've no hesitation voting for labour at all, which means surely many of you won't want to?

Aye, center-right folk like yourself wanting to vote Labour and Starmers comments about Thatcher shows where Labour have gone to, yet some on here seem to want to shame people for considering not voting for Labour and accuse them of proxy voting to keep the Tories in, despite being more of the same but with a red rosette. Personally I'll consider which way to go when policies are announced but they're definitely taking the center-left vote for granted.

I believe its like a scare tactic oh if you don't vote Labour then you'll give it to the Tories, not necessarily because I think what would be best is Labour but without the majority.

Then they'll not be able to flex their muscles how they want.

Which is a good thing.

Neither do anything for the benefit of the electorate.

[SydneyRover]

91 read comment #50 from bst and report any errors you find.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Those who are disenfranchised with Labour currently - who will you vote for?

Green - likely to win Bristol West given Labour's degeneration. Otherwise any left independent, pirate party, or spoil the paper.

Labour think that Conservatives are going to defect to them.

Wrong - they are voting mainly for reform.

The best thing present Labour voters or people who want to vote I would say are either Indepndents, Green or a suitable alternative giving something different.

Labour think a majority is a given in my view, pressure will soon be mounting on Keir Starmer.

That's not what the consistent messages from the polls are saying.

The data from polling says that about 10-12% of all the people who voted Tory in 2019 now support Labor, and about 12-14% now support Reform.

[ncRover]

Tyke.

I'm looking really carefully, but I can't see anywhere where Starmer had praised any of those things you listed that Thatcher did.

What's your point, exactly?

Did the words crediting Thatcher for " effecting meaningful change " not register with you .

21 points in front and Keith is so insecure he woos Tory voters with praise of their heroine .

No doubt completely detached from the very people who find any praise of her Premiership akin to a red rag to a bull , votes he clearly believes are in the bag .

Have a check Keith on the millions of votes your party lost between 1997 and 2005 .

How many voters did Labour lose to socialist parties between 97-05?

Starmer said “ "Margaret Thatcher sought to drag Britain out of its stupor by setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism."

Sought is a neutral term. He didn’t say weather she was successful or not in it.

“Setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism”. This is complimentary to British people, no?

Nothingburger.

[drfchound]

Those who are disenfranchised with Labour currently - who will you vote for?

Green - likely to win Bristol West given Labour's degeneration. Otherwise any left independent, pirate party, or spoil the paper.

Labour think that Conservatives are going to defect to them.

Wrong - they are voting mainly for reform.

The best thing present Labour voters or people who want to vote I would say are either Indepndents, Green or a suitable alternative giving something different.

Labour think a majority is a given in my view, pressure will soon be mounting on Keir Starmer.

That's not what the consistent messages from the polls are saying.

The data from polling says that about 10-12% of all the people who voted Tory in 2019 now support Labor, and about 12-14% now support Reform.

Considering the hammering that Labour got in 2019 will 10-12% moving from Tory to Labour be enough to give Labour a majority?

[scawsby steve]

From Alastair Campbell

If you read the article rather than the headline he was making the point that PMs have the capacity to make radical lasting change. I think it would be odd not to agree that Thatcher did, as did Attlee and TB who he also mentioned

Bloody hell, Raven, Alastair Campbell? He's a bigger w*nker than Keith.

Mind you, I know you're into music, and I've heard him play the bagpipes to some aplombe.

[roverstillidie91]

Those who are disenfranchised with Labour currently - who will you vote for?

Green - likely to win Bristol West given Labour's degeneration. Otherwise any left independent, pirate party, or spoil the paper.

Labour think that Conservatives are going to defect to them.

Wrong - they are voting mainly for reform.

The best thing present Labour voters or people who want to vote I would say are either Indepndents, Green or a suitable alternative giving something different.

Labour think a majority is a given in my view, pressure will soon be mounting on Keir Starmer.

That's not what the consistent messages from the polls are saying.

The data from polling says that about 10-12% of all the people who voted Tory in 2019 now support Labor, and about 12-14% now support Reform.

I don't really take much notice on the polls especially if it's a surgery of around 2,000 people.

There's plenty of time for people to change their mind on Keir Starmer.

If they vote against the anti strike Bill on Wednesday for it not to be implemented then great. If they don't they won't be getting my vote and neither will a lot of trade union members, families etc

[roverstillidie91]

Tyke.

I'm looking really carefully, but I can't see anywhere where Starmer had praised any of those things you listed that Thatcher did.

What's your point, exactly?

Did the words crediting Thatcher for " effecting meaningful change " not register with you .

21 points in front and Keith is so insecure he woos Tory voters with praise of their heroine .

No doubt completely detached from the very people who find any praise of her Premiership akin to a red rag to a bull , votes he clearly believes are in the bag .

Have a check Keith on the millions of votes your party lost between 1997 and 2005 .

How many voters did Labour lose to socialist parties between 97-05?

Starmer said “ "Margaret Thatcher sought to drag Britain out of its stupor by setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism."

Sought is a neutral term. He didn’t say weather she was successful or not in it.

“Setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism”. This is complimentary to British people, no?

Nothingburger.

more people are waking up to the Labour/Tories shitshow.

Let's see what occurs but I still predict a hung parliament at the next election

[roverstillidie91]

91 read comment #50 from bst and report any errors you find.

I don't dispute that they brought improvements in from the Tories being in power and they aren't responsible for the current problems.

However I just don't see any difference between Tories and Labour

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.

I'm looking really carefully, but I can't see anywhere where Starmer had praised any of those things you listed that Thatcher did.

What's your point, exactly?

Did the words crediting Thatcher for " effecting meaningful change " not register with you .

21 points in front and Keith is so insecure he woos Tory voters with praise of their heroine .

No doubt completely detached from the very people who find any praise of her Premiership akin to a red rag to a bull , votes he clearly believes are in the bag .

Have a check Keith on the millions of votes your party lost between 1997 and 2005 .

How many voters did Labour lose to socialist parties between 97-05?

Starmer said “ "Margaret Thatcher sought to drag Britain out of its stupor by setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism."

Sought is a neutral term. He didn’t say weather she was successful or not in it.

“Setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism”. This is complimentary to British people, no?

Nothingburger.

more people are waking up to the Labour/Tories shitshow.

Let's see what occurs but I still predict a hung parliament at the next election

I'd give a very big charity bet that there won't be a hung parliament next year.

[BillyStubbsTears]

91 read comment #50 from bst and report any errors you find.

I don't dispute that they brought improvements in from the Tories being in power and they aren't responsible for the current problems.

However I just don't see any difference between Tories and Labour

I don't follow your logic.

Labour were better than the Tories but Labour are no different to the Tories?

[ncRover]

Tyke.

I'm looking really carefully, but I can't see anywhere where Starmer had praised any of those things you listed that Thatcher did.

What's your point, exactly?

Did the words crediting Thatcher for " effecting meaningful change " not register with you .

21 points in front and Keith is so insecure he woos Tory voters with praise of their heroine .

No doubt completely detached from the very people who find any praise of her Premiership akin to a red rag to a bull , votes he clearly believes are in the bag .

Have a check Keith on the millions of votes your party lost between 1997 and 2005 .

How many voters did Labour lose to socialist parties between 97-05?

Starmer said “ "Margaret Thatcher sought to drag Britain out of its stupor by setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism."

Sought is a neutral term. He didn’t say weather she was successful or not in it.

“Setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism”. This is complimentary to British people, no?

Nothingburger.

more people are waking up to the Labour/Tories shitshow.

Let's see what occurs but I still predict a hung parliament at the next election

I'd give a very big charity bet that there won't be a hung parliament next year.

Also for hound:

A recent survey in Scotland recently suggested greater support for Labour over SNP for the first time since 2014.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/its-a-highland-swing-labour-are-now-backed-by-more-scottish-voters-than-the-snp-for-only-the-third-time-since--with-keir-starmers-party-opening-up-a-twopoint-lead-over-the-nationalists-to-put-him-on-course-for-no/ar-AA1kJS9W?ocid=sapphireappshare

[roverstillidie91]

91 read comment #50 from bst and report any errors you find.

I don't dispute that they brought improvements in from the Tories being in power and they aren't responsible for the current problems.

However I just don't see any difference between Tories and Labour

I don't follow your logic.

Labour were better than the Tories but Labour are no different to the Tories?

I wasn't really old enough in that era to know how they was in the 90s or early 2000s.

I'm basing it on the here and now. From what I've read Labour we're going Tory lite under Blair but was still the best party.

There is no difference between them both.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I hear that line a lot from  people on the Left about Labour being no different from the Tories.

Doesn't really gel with the facts though.

Here's NHS waiting lists and A&E waiting times for example.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkoNIRBWYAAw1uu?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Here's real terms spending on state education.



Forgive me for being blunt, but it's lazy rubbish to say Labour and the Tories are the same. They aren't the evidence proves it.

[drfchound]

Tyke.

I'm looking really carefully, but I can't see anywhere where Starmer had praised any of those things you listed that Thatcher did.

What's your point, exactly?

Did the words crediting Thatcher for " effecting meaningful change " not register with you .

21 points in front and Keith is so insecure he woos Tory voters with praise of their heroine .

No doubt completely detached from the very people who find any praise of her Premiership akin to a red rag to a bull , votes he clearly believes are in the bag .

Have a check Keith on the millions of votes your party lost between 1997 and 2005 .

How many voters did Labour lose to socialist parties between 97-05?

Starmer said “ "Margaret Thatcher sought to drag Britain out of its stupor by setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism."

Sought is a neutral term. He didn’t say weather she was successful or not in it.

“Setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism”. This is complimentary to British people, no?

Nothingburger.

more people are waking up to the Labour/Tories shitshow.

Let's see what occurs but I still predict a hung parliament at the next election

I'd give a very big charity bet that there won't be a hung parliament next year.

Also for hound:

A recent survey in Scotland recently suggested greater support for Labour over SNP for the first time since 2014.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/its-a-highland-swing-labour-are-now-backed-by-more-scottish-voters-than-the-snp-for-only-the-third-time-since--with-keir-starmers-party-opening-up-a-twopoint-lead-over-the-nationalists-to-put-him-on-course-for-no/ar-AA1kJS9W?ocid=sapphireappshare

Cheers nc, not one of the staunch Labour supporters on here answered my question (I didn’t expect the dingo to answer anyway) but given the hammering in 2019, will even the Scottish support get Labour enough for a majority?
It is still early days too so the polls are only a view of what voters are saying now, maybe not what they will actually vote.

[normal rules]

Keir Starmer presumably thinks of himself as a social democrat, yet he's done more to shift the Overton Window to the right than any Labour leader since Blair. All of a sudden, nationalisation is a dirty word. Labour is competing with the Tories to be anti-immigration; competing to be the most pro-war in Israel and Palestine; competing to be the most fiscally conservative. Are any of you seriously inspired by this ghoul?

Do any of you seriously think this man will change anything? Starmer has empowered the right by accepting their views, and will govern as a Red Tory. If anything, he has lent credence to the Marxist 'social fascism' theory, that all social democrats achieve is the justification of the current horrendous state of affairs by making things *just tolerable enough* to prevent revolt.

 He is a leader who was hoisted into place through deceit and secret donors, and stands for nothing but the status quo. He is the textbook definition of an establishment politician, and no threat to powerful interests at all. Do any of you seriously think he will wage class war against the bourgeoisie, in the same way that the Tories have waged it against the working classes for over a decade?

I for one hope that Labour will fail to achieve a majority, and be forced to give PR to the Lib Dems in order to govern. Afterwards, we can vote for a genuinely transformative party, and soon enough, the failed, divided, catch-all and stand-for-nothing Labour and Conservative Parties will splinter and cease to exist.

[tyke1962]

Keith can blow as much smoke up Tory voters backsides all he wants but I doubt many of them will be taken in by this fool .

Three options open for Tory voters , stick with the Tories , vote for Reform or stay at home on election day .

I've lived long enough to know you can never write the Tories off and the election campaign will be brutal and they will pin something on Labour or Keith that will have legs , I'm certain of it .

They may already be in possession of it and are waiting for the perfect time to play it .

Blair in 97 would probably have still won whatever the Tories through at him through sheer weight of personality .

Keith doesn't have that and despite what many might say personality is important .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Great then Tyke.

I'm sure you'll be chuffed to bits when the Tories win.

What exactly DO you want?

[SydneyRover]

Keith can blow as much smoke up Tory voters backsides all he wants but I doubt many of them will be taken in by this fool .

Three options open for Tory voters , stick with the Tories , vote for Reform or stay at home on election day .

I've lived long enough to know you can never write the Tories off and the election campaign will be brutal and they will pin something on Labour or Keith that will have legs , I'm certain of it .

They may already be in possession of it and are waiting for the perfect time to play it .

Blair in 97 would probably have still won whatever the Tories through at him through sheer weight of personality .

Keith doesn't have that and despite what many might say personality is important .

some voters are easily led, think brexit

[roverstillidie91]

Keir Starmer presumably thinks of himself as a social democrat, yet he's done more to shift the Overton Window to the right than any Labour leader since Blair. All of a sudden, nationalisation is a dirty word. Labour is competing with the Tories to be anti-immigration; competing to be the most pro-war in Israel and Palestine; competing to be the most fiscally conservative. Are any of you seriously inspired by this ghoul?

Do any of you seriously think this man will change anything? Starmer has empowered the right by accepting their views, and will govern as a Red Tory. If anything, he has lent credence to the Marxist 'social fascism' theory, that all social democrats achieve is the justification of the current horrendous state of affairs by making things *just tolerable enough* to prevent revolt.

 He is a leader who was hoisted into place through deceit and secret donors, and stands for nothing but the status quo. He is the textbook definition of an establishment politician, and no threat to powerful interests at all. Do any of you seriously think he will wage class war against the bourgeoisie, in the same way that the Tories have waged it against the working classes for over a decade?

I for one hope that Labour will fail to achieve a majority, and be forced to give PR to the Lib Dems in order to govern. Afterwards, we can vote for a genuinely transformative party, and soon enough, the failed, divided, catch-all and stand-for-nothing Labour and Conservative Parties will splinter and cease to exist.

couldn't have put it better myself.

KS is also a WEF stooge. Not to be trusted.

[roverstillidie91]

Keith can blow as much smoke up Tory voters backsides all he wants but I doubt many of them will be taken in by this fool .

Three options open for Tory voters , stick with the Tories , vote for Reform or stay at home on election day .

I've lived long enough to know you can never write the Tories off and the election campaign will be brutal and they will pin something on Labour or Keith that will have legs , I'm certain of it .

They may already be in possession of it and are waiting for the perfect time to play it .

Blair in 97 would probably have still won whatever the Tories through at him through sheer weight of personality .

Keith doesn't have that and despite what many might say personality is important .

some voters are easily led, think brexit

to be honest even I was, and look back now and it was definitely the wrong thing. I wasn't the only one though.

[SydneyRover]

Keir Starmer presumably thinks of himself as a social democrat, yet he's done more to shift the Overton Window to the right than any Labour leader since Blair. All of a sudden, nationalisation is a dirty word. Labour is competing with the Tories to be anti-immigration; competing to be the most pro-war in Israel and Palestine; competing to be the most fiscally conservative. Are any of you seriously inspired by this ghoul?

Do any of you seriously think this man will change anything? Starmer has empowered the right by accepting their views, and will govern as a Red Tory. If anything, he has lent credence to the Marxist 'social fascism' theory, that all social democrats achieve is the justification of the current horrendous state of affairs by making things *just tolerable enough* to prevent revolt.

 He is a leader who was hoisted into place through deceit and secret donors, and stands for nothing but the status quo. He is the textbook definition of an establishment politician, and no threat to powerful interests at all. Do any of you seriously think he will wage class war against the bourgeoisie, in the same way that the Tories have waged it against the working classes for over a decade?

I for one hope that Labour will fail to achieve a majority, and be forced to give PR to the Lib Dems in order to govern. Afterwards, we can vote for a genuinely transformative party, and soon enough, the failed, divided, catch-all and stand-for-nothing Labour and Conservative Parties will splinter and cease to exist.

And yet you wrote this nr

''I won’t be voting conservative for the next GE. I may even change the habit of my lifetime and vote Labour. Out of spite for all current left and right politics.  Let them take over the shit show and watch them implode too. Because only then will the people of this country realise we need a radical change in politics. And change will come.
So Lets have a labour govt and see how the country fairs for a while.
One thing is for sure, the Overton Window of Politics has remained static for way too long. Left and right politics have become way too blurred in recent years. Labour will manage this country no better or different to the current Tory establishment. They are too alike. Too central on the Overton window.
Argentina, Hungary, Switzerland, Poland, Sweden, Finland, Italy and the Netherlands. Populist/ nationalist politics is becoming more and more popular. And the Westminster left and right elite can do nothing about it. They are creating it with their pathetic, weak leadership. Labour will do nothing but add to this growing discord. They will kick the can down the road all over again. Starting with the small boats fiasco. Which they have no meaningful plan to deal with''

[roverstillidie91]

Keir Starmer presumably thinks of himself as a social democrat, yet he's done more to shift the Overton Window to the right than any Labour leader since Blair. All of a sudden, nationalisation is a dirty word. Labour is competing with the Tories to be anti-immigration; competing to be the most pro-war in Israel and Palestine; competing to be the most fiscally conservative. Are any of you seriously inspired by this ghoul?

Do any of you seriously think this man will change anything? Starmer has empowered the right by accepting their views, and will govern as a Red Tory. If anything, he has lent credence to the Marxist 'social fascism' theory, that all social democrats achieve is the justification of the current horrendous state of affairs by making things *just tolerable enough* to prevent revolt.

 He is a leader who was hoisted into place through deceit and secret donors, and stands for nothing but the status quo. He is the textbook definition of an establishment politician, and no threat to powerful interests at all. Do any of you seriously think he will wage class war against the bourgeoisie, in the same way that the Tories have waged it against the working classes for over a decade?

I for one hope that Labour will fail to achieve a majority, and be forced to give PR to the Lib Dems in order to govern. Afterwards, we can vote for a genuinely transformative party, and soon enough, the failed, divided, catch-all and stand-for-nothing Labour and Conservative Parties will splinter and cease to exist.

And yet you wrote this nr

''I won’t be voting conservative for the next GE. I may even change the habit of my lifetime and vote Labour. Out of spite for all current left and right politics.  Let them take over the shit show and watch them implode too. Because only then will the people of this country realise we need a radical change in politics. And change will come.
So Lets have a labour govt and see how the country fairs for a while.
One thing is for sure, the Overton Window of Politics has remained static for way too long. Left and right politics have become way too blurred in recent years. Labour will manage this country no better or different to the current Tory establishment. They are too alike. Too central on the Overton window.
Argentina, Hungary, Switzerland, Poland, Sweden, Finland, Italy and the Netherlands. Populist/ nationalist politics is becoming more and more popular. And the Westminster left and right elite can do nothing about it. They are creating it with their pathetic, weak leadership. Labour will do nothing but add to this growing discord. They will kick the can down the road all over again. Starting with the small boats fiasco. Which they have no meaningful plan to deal with''

what the 2 main parties don't realise is there is a slow shift towards other parties.

I.e. Green, Lib Dems, Reform.

Independents - there are 2 hugely popular figures one Jeremy Corbyn and another who got expelled from the party can't name him from the top of my head.

Some of the independent journalism you're seeing I.e. Sonia Paulton, Double down news, Byline times, Novara Median etc and they're all gaining popularity you are talking hundreds of thousands of people especially on social media including Peter Stefanovic who is speaking against Tories/Labour and people are waking up and the tide will swing eventually. Check them out on social media what the right wing press won't tell you.

I've seen Finland have a good system in place for their people. And guess what no privatisation on steroids like our country.

Thing is also, it is easy for Keir Starmer to be in opposition but wait until he starts making very unpopular decisions and carrying on the war against the working people and his popularity will drain.

[Bentley Bullet]

Keir Starmer presumably thinks of himself as a social democrat, yet he's done more to shift the Overton Window to the right than any Labour leader since Blair. All of a sudden, nationalisation is a dirty word. Labour is competing with the Tories to be anti-immigration; competing to be the most pro-war in Israel and Palestine; competing to be the most fiscally conservative. Are any of you seriously inspired by this ghoul?

Do any of you seriously think this man will change anything? Starmer has empowered the right by accepting their views, and will govern as a Red Tory. If anything, he has lent credence to the Marxist 'social fascism' theory, that all social democrats achieve is the justification of the current horrendous state of affairs by making things *just tolerable enough* to prevent revolt.

 He is a leader who was hoisted into place through deceit and secret donors, and stands for nothing but the status quo. He is the textbook definition of an establishment politician, and no threat to powerful interests at all. Do any of you seriously think he will wage class war against the bourgeoisie, in the same way that the Tories have waged it against the working classes for over a decade?

I for one hope that Labour will fail to achieve a majority, and be forced to give PR to the Lib Dems in order to govern. Afterwards, we can vote for a genuinely transformative party, and soon enough, the failed, divided, catch-all and stand-for-nothing Labour and Conservative Parties will splinter and cease to exist.

And yet you wrote this nr

''I won’t be voting conservative for the next GE. I may even change the habit of my lifetime and vote Labour. Out of spite for all current left and right politics.  Let them take over the shit show and watch them implode too. Because only then will the people of this country realise we need a radical change in politics. And change will come.
So Lets have a labour govt and see how the country fairs for a while.
One thing is for sure, the Overton Window of Politics has remained static for way too long. Left and right politics have become way too blurred in recent years. Labour will manage this country no better or different to the current Tory establishment. They are too alike. Too central on the Overton window.
Argentina, Hungary, Switzerland, Poland, Sweden, Finland, Italy and the Netherlands. Populist/ nationalist politics is becoming more and more popular. And the Westminster left and right elite can do nothing about it. They are creating it with their pathetic, weak leadership. Labour will do nothing but add to this growing discord. They will kick the can down the road all over again. Starting with the small boats fiasco. Which they have no meaningful plan to deal with''

what the 2 main parties don't realise is there is a slow shift towards other parties.

I.e. Green, Lib Dems, Reform.

Independents - there are 2 hugely popular figures one Jeremy Corbyn and another who got expelled from the party can't name him from the top of my head.

Some of the independent journalism you're seeing I.e. Sonia Paulton, Double down news, Byline times, Novara Median etc and they're all gaining popularity you are talking hundreds of thousands of people especially on social media including Peter Stefanovic who is speaking against Tories/Labour and people are waking up and the tide will swing eventually. Check them out on social media what the right wing press won't tell you.

I've seen Finland have a good system in place for their people. And guess what no privatisation on steroids like our country.

Thing is also, it is easy for Keir Starmer to be in opposition but wait until he starts making very unpopular decisions and carrying on the war against the working people and his popularity will drain.

I think I know where NR's coming from, although I would fall short of voting for that shower of a Labour party.

I'm looking forward to seeing the reactions of the likes of BST and his little army of Labour supporters squirming in their endeavour to support our saviour Super Keir when he takes over. 

[albie]

We will see if Starmer will back the rights of trade unions on Wednesday;
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/labour-peers-urged-to-back-fatal-motion-and-protect-workers-right-to-strike-364345/

If he chooses to abstain, then the message is clear that Labour will stand against trade union interests, and in favour of the establishment and political donors.

I expect another fudge to avoid taking a side, which is of course, a position!

[roverstillidie91]

We will see if Starmer will back the rights of trade unions on Wednesday;
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/labour-peers-urged-to-back-fatal-motion-and-protect-workers-right-to-strike-364345/

If he chooses to abstain, then the message is clear that Labour will stand against trade union interests, and in favour of the establishment and political donors.

I expect another fudge to avoid taking a side, which is of course, a position!

where did his pledges go which he promised to honour Jeremy Corbyns manifesto https://uk.news.yahoo.com/keir-starmer-removes-leadership-election-162003510.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADOjRZCAD5twfA2COwy6P7gloT5uv_DXgEtY17gkHcsLRluCrlneNA6ybhUM-_pbdnNwCBeBUPxaI3-_HnnAn_P9CbBLtQdbL34bpXobpiLC2QzkkON7o5MCmEjF2BHEatydS-0vFjRyj_8DHKukFmxCR1CMp1-iW7XgoiJPkTGW

Oh they've been deleted from the website.

Oh deary me.