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Quote from: i_ateallthepies on December 05, 2023, 09:09:57 amQuote from: tyke1962 on December 04, 2023, 08:35:30 pmKeith can blow as much smoke up Tory voters backsides all he wants but I doubt many of them will be taken in by this fool .Three options open for Tory voters , stick with the Tories , vote for Reform or stay at home on election day .I've lived long enough to know you can never write the Tories off and the election campaign will be brutal and they will pin something on Labour or Keith that will have legs , I'm certain of it .They may already be in possession of it and are waiting for the perfect time to play it .Blair in 97 would probably have still won whatever the Tories through at him through sheer weight of personality .Keith doesn't have that and despite what many might say personality is important .So, which of those three have you decided to do, Tyke?If you're suggesting by that snide remark that Tyke is a Tory voter, then you either don't read his posts, or you have a poor understanding of semantics.
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 04, 2023, 08:35:30 pmKeith can blow as much smoke up Tory voters backsides all he wants but I doubt many of them will be taken in by this fool .Three options open for Tory voters , stick with the Tories , vote for Reform or stay at home on election day .I've lived long enough to know you can never write the Tories off and the election campaign will be brutal and they will pin something on Labour or Keith that will have legs , I'm certain of it .They may already be in possession of it and are waiting for the perfect time to play it .Blair in 97 would probably have still won whatever the Tories through at him through sheer weight of personality .Keith doesn't have that and despite what many might say personality is important .So, which of those three have you decided to do, Tyke?
Keith can blow as much smoke up Tory voters backsides all he wants but I doubt many of them will be taken in by this fool .Three options open for Tory voters , stick with the Tories , vote for Reform or stay at home on election day .I've lived long enough to know you can never write the Tories off and the election campaign will be brutal and they will pin something on Labour or Keith that will have legs , I'm certain of it .They may already be in possession of it and are waiting for the perfect time to play it .Blair in 97 would probably have still won whatever the Tories through at him through sheer weight of personality .Keith doesn't have that and despite what many might say personality is important .
Quote from: SydneyRover on December 05, 2023, 01:52:40 amRemind me what your position on welfare is 91? I believe there needs to be a balance obviously between what can be deemed between a lifestyle choice and it being absolute necessary to get benefits I.e. disabled, vulnerable, elderly etc.However it is a tough and divisive subject I believe it isn't what the beneift claimants receive that is the issue it is their expenditure and it all stems from privatisation which has been a complete disaster and where possible should be reversed.However it is wrong for the poorest to prop up the richest when they're making billions of pounds and the government are very clever with trying to turn everyone against each other. Especially benefit claimants I.e. your benefits Britain.It is all deisnged to make people think, oh they're greedy when the majority aren't.And people are even claiming benefits whilst they're working as well which some people don't realise and the government are clever with their psychology.However, children and elderly, vulnerable people shouldn't be required in some cases choosing between eating and heating plus having their heating on rare cases at 10°.And there's the case of food banks compared to when Labour was in power.There's that many structural issues that have to be dealt with obviously each person or family is complex in some areas.And how they are now trying to control us. Covid? It was the period they realised we could be controlled by the millions and we would comply.Essentially if you make the poorer more and more productive for less it makes the richer richer.We are going back to victorian times.A starting point for Labour is to give a referendum on the EU or the very least the deal initially but it was all a pack of lies.And why should we have hundreds of MPs in a population of millions be making decisions for us?
Remind me what your position on welfare is 91?
Quote from: scawsby steve on December 05, 2023, 05:59:50 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on December 05, 2023, 09:09:57 amQuote from: tyke1962 on December 04, 2023, 08:35:30 pmKeith can blow as much smoke up Tory voters backsides all he wants but I doubt many of them will be taken in by this fool .Three options open for Tory voters , stick with the Tories , vote for Reform or stay at home on election day .I've lived long enough to know you can never write the Tories off and the election campaign will be brutal and they will pin something on Labour or Keith that will have legs , I'm certain of it .They may already be in possession of it and are waiting for the perfect time to play it .Blair in 97 would probably have still won whatever the Tories through at him through sheer weight of personality .Keith doesn't have that and despite what many might say personality is important .So, which of those three have you decided to do, Tyke?If you're suggesting by that snide remark that Tyke is a Tory voter, then you either don't read his posts, or you have a poor understanding of semantics.SS, I have read a great many of Tyke's posts and I know very well that at his core he is a socialist but a great many of his posts reveal that his political leanings are a little more nuanced than that.
I’d say I’m centre-right. I would vote for Starmer before a Braverman / Farage type Tory leader.If it was a far-left v far right I would vote Lib Dem.
Quote from: SydneyRover on December 04, 2023, 08:51:06 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 04, 2023, 08:35:30 pmKeith can blow as much smoke up Tory voters backsides all he wants but I doubt many of them will be taken in by this fool .Three options open for Tory voters , stick with the Tories , vote for Reform or stay at home on election day .I've lived long enough to know you can never write the Tories off and the election campaign will be brutal and they will pin something on Labour or Keith that will have legs , I'm certain of it .They may already be in possession of it and are waiting for the perfect time to play it .Blair in 97 would probably have still won whatever the Tories through at him through sheer weight of personality .Keith doesn't have that and despite what many might say personality is important .some voters are easily led, think brexitWhoa, whoa, whoa, Mr Syd. An article today in your beloved paragon of truth, "the Guardian", is saying that Brexit is not the disaster that some predicted, and that the EU economy over the last few years has been "woeful".Care to comment?
Quote from: tyke1962 on December 04, 2023, 08:35:30 pmKeith can blow as much smoke up Tory voters backsides all he wants but I doubt many of them will be taken in by this fool .Three options open for Tory voters , stick with the Tories , vote for Reform or stay at home on election day .I've lived long enough to know you can never write the Tories off and the election campaign will be brutal and they will pin something on Labour or Keith that will have legs , I'm certain of it .They may already be in possession of it and are waiting for the perfect time to play it .Blair in 97 would probably have still won whatever the Tories through at him through sheer weight of personality .Keith doesn't have that and despite what many might say personality is important .some voters are easily led, think brexit
Quote from: scawsby steve on December 05, 2023, 06:07:32 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on December 04, 2023, 08:51:06 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on December 04, 2023, 08:35:30 pmKeith can blow as much smoke up Tory voters backsides all he wants but I doubt many of them will be taken in by this fool .Three options open for Tory voters , stick with the Tories , vote for Reform or stay at home on election day .I've lived long enough to know you can never write the Tories off and the election campaign will be brutal and they will pin something on Labour or Keith that will have legs , I'm certain of it .They may already be in possession of it and are waiting for the perfect time to play it .Blair in 97 would probably have still won whatever the Tories through at him through sheer weight of personality .Keith doesn't have that and despite what many might say personality is important .some voters are easily led, think brexitWhoa, whoa, whoa, Mr Syd. An article today in your beloved paragon of truth, "the Guardian", is saying that Brexit is not the disaster that some predicted, and that the EU economy over the last few years has been "woeful".Care to comment?ask the shadow board if it's on topic and if allowed post a link SS
To be fair the EU redistributed funds to the least funded areas of the UK, with South Yorkshire being one of them so as a local area we're worse off.
Globalist number 4 - https://youtu.be/mWcaEX_2x34?si=iXUPwnuw9ryipVnq
Quote from: roverstillidie91 on December 05, 2023, 11:56:23 pmGlobalist number 4 - https://youtu.be/mWcaEX_2x34?si=iXUPwnuw9ryipVnqThe opening statement just about says it all 91.
Quote from: SydneyRover on December 06, 2023, 12:08:29 amQuote from: roverstillidie91 on December 05, 2023, 11:56:23 pmGlobalist number 4 - https://youtu.be/mWcaEX_2x34?si=iXUPwnuw9ryipVnqThe opening statement just about says it all 91. he represents the rich and the privileged, a multi millionaire.There's no difference between him and Sunak.The general public are too gullible to realise it.I wonder if Labour lord's will vote against the motion for anti strike laws tomorrow?
Quote from: roverstillidie91 on December 06, 2023, 12:14:50 amQuote from: SydneyRover on December 06, 2023, 12:08:29 amQuote from: roverstillidie91 on December 05, 2023, 11:56:23 pmGlobalist number 4 - https://youtu.be/mWcaEX_2x34?si=iXUPwnuw9ryipVnqThe opening statement just about says it all 91. he represents the rich and the privileged, a multi millionaire.There's no difference between him and Sunak.The general public are too gullible to realise it.I wonder if Labour lord's will vote against the motion for anti strike laws tomorrow?Who does? I only had time to watch the first minute?
Quote from: roverstillidie91 on December 06, 2023, 12:14:50 amQuote from: SydneyRover on December 06, 2023, 12:08:29 amQuote from: roverstillidie91 on December 05, 2023, 11:56:23 pmGlobalist number 4 - https://youtu.be/mWcaEX_2x34?si=iXUPwnuw9ryipVnqThe opening statement just about says it all 91. he represents the rich and the privileged, a multi millionaire.There's no difference between him and Sunak.The general public are too gullible to realise it.I wonder if Labour lord's will vote against the motion for anti strike laws tomorrow?What’s wrong with a man being smart, successful and becoming a multi-millionaire?
Austerity Keith has sat on his hands and failed to back the "Fatal Motion" brought by the Greens in the House of Lords.So the Tory assault on Trade Unions and workers rights is allowed to proceed, despite the Tories not having a majority in the Lords.The issue is summarised in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-5cxSDUZb4At least no-one can argue the wetwipe has the interests of working people at heart.Fully fledged member of the ruling class.
Ah yes we just need a socialist in charge and we’ll all be rich.Meanwhile the one in charge of affluent Venezuela is threatening to invade ally to the west Guyana over oil. I’m sure you’ll be their cheerleader soon enough.
Quote from: ncRover on December 06, 2023, 09:10:42 pmAh yes we just need a socialist in charge and we’ll all be rich.Meanwhile the one in charge of affluent Venezuela is threatening to invade ally to the west Guyana over oil. I’m sure you’ll be their cheerleader soon enough.It's not about all being rich. Not sure how you get to that comment without being dismissive of fairness, or being someone who celebrates abusive elites. Educate me, take me through your process.
Labour should ditch the economic framework responsible for the state we’re in – Labour Hubhttps://labourhub.org.uk/2023/12/06/labour-should-ditch-the-economic-framework-responsible-for-the-state-were-in/Nothing controversial there, but Keith and Reeves are drunk on their own propaganda.
Nothing whatsoever to do with Truss, the issue is how you intend to raise revenue.Saying that you will rule out revenue raising possibilities at the outset, means you will have to backtrack later, and take a caning for deliberate deception of voters.Best avoided.