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It is not the source of the funding that is problematic, it is the terms under which such funds are provided.Labour are choosing to use a source of funding that requires a return far higher than equivalent funding from a government source.Bonds, or preferential borrowing by a state actor, are far lower in cost over time than a PFI type deal looking at 7% per annum rising to the later repayment years.The predatory lenders courted by Labour will not settle for a return on capital lower than that expected from other alternative investment options.You reckon it is OK, "as long as the price is right".....I know of no examples of any such deal being a better investment than conventional state procurement, do you?Brown was obsessed with moving Capex off balance sheet, and the cost of capital from those deals was a very poor decision in terms of overall system costs.It should not be repeated in any form.
They clearly didn't get the balance right last time, but with that experience there's no excuse for getting it wrong again.There should be no ideological block to involving the private sector in providing infrastructure. As long as the price is right.The point is that private financial companies the world over are awash with funds that we need to tap into one way or another.Ideologically, I'd prefer Government to issue bonds that were bought by that finance, then use those funds for the investment spending. That's how Govt borrowing works. But at the end of the day, it's the same source of funding.
Leaving aside his politics, which of course is backwards, starmer is just not PM material at all. He's a spineless jellyfish who can't even say what a woman is. We're going to be an international laughing stock with that idiot at number 10. He'll be the most unpopular person in the country by Christmas, and won't even serve 1 term. Mark my words
POOR SCAWSBY DOESN'T CLICK ON LINKS SO I HAVE PRINTED THE FULL TEXT SOLEY FOR HIS BENEFIT SO BB DOESN'T HAVE TO READ IT TO HIM AS A BEDTIME STORYQUESTION HAS STARMER DENIED EVER BEING A FORMER MARXIST ??starmer speaking on Desert Island Discshttps://www.inyourarea.co.uk/news/oxteds-keir-starmer-on-childhood-anguish-and-being-a-radical-teen-socialist/"Oxted's Sir Keir Starmer on childhood anguish and being a radical teen socialistThe Labour leader's early campaigning was received "pretty negatively" in Tory East Surrey" Keir Starmer swapped law for politics in 2015 (Photo:Leon Neal/Getty Images)LABOUR leader Sir Keir Starmer has opened up about his earliest experience of political campaigning - to a tough East Surrey crowd - and his childhood in Oxted, Surrey.Sir Keir appeared on BBC Radio 4’s Desert Island Discs, choosing music ranging from Beethoven to Euro '96 anthem Three Lions as he spoke about his relationship with his parents, career, determination to unite his party, Brexit and love of football.The second of four children, Sir Keir grew up in Oxted and went to Reigate Grammar School. His parents were Labour “through and through”.“I got interested in politics at a very early age and joined the East Surrey Young Socialists when I was 16, which was the youth section if you like of the local Labour Party,” he said.“I have to say in East Surrey there weren’t very many of us; I think it numbered about four people in total.”Asked by presenter Lauren Laverne how his campaigning was received, he said: “Pretty negatively as we sort of marched round East Surrey up long drives telling people that we thought nationalisation was the answer. After we’d explained our views and asked ‘well, how will you be voting?, there weren’t so many that were persuaded with what we were putting... but, you know, we passed resolutions and took it all very seriously but it was hard work back then.”As a child, Sir Keir was not close with his dad, Rodney, and his mother Josephine was “very very ill”.One abiding memory is of his mum giving he and his siblings jam sandwiches when they came in from school.He talked of his regret that his relationship with his father, a toolmaker, was not better."I don't often talk about my dad," he said."He was a difficult man, a complicated man, he kept himself to himself, he didn't particularly like to socialise, so wouldn't really go out very much. But he was incredibly hard-working."Rodney, who died in 2018, had worked on the factory floor all day, came home “for his tea” at 5pm, before going back to work at 6pm for another four hours."I wouldn't say we were close,” said Sir Keir. “I understood who he was and what he was but we weren't close and I regret that. Like many parents I suppose I am determined my own relationship with my children [a daughter aged nine and 12-year-old son] will be different.”He commended, however, his father’s “utter devotion and commitment” to his mum, who was diagnosed with autoimmune condition Still’s Disease aged 11.“My mum was very, very ill all of her life and my dad knew exactly the symptoms of everything that might possibly go wrong with my mum, he knew exactly what drugs or combination of drugs or injection would be needed,” he said."He stopped drinking completely just in case he ever needed to get to the hospital with her. On the many occasions she was in hospital he would stay with her the whole time, he wouldn't leave the hospital, he would sleep on any chair or whatever was available."His voice cracked as he recalled how ill his mother was.“She couldn’t use her limbs she was very prone to infections and as young children we spent a lot of time in and out of high dependency units with my mum thinking we were going to lose her.“I remember on one occasion when I was about 13 or 14, my dad phoning me from the hospital saying ‘I don’t think your mum’s going to make it, will you tell the others?’ That was tough, that was really tough.”Josephine died shortly before Sir Keir became an MP in 2015.STOPPED DRINKING COMPLETELY -- SUMMAT NOT RIGHT HERE STILL MANAGED TO PRODUCE 4 HEALTHY CHILDREN DESPITE HIS WIFE'S CONDITION !! SUMMAT DEFINITELY WRONG HERE ME THINX MOVING ON TO HIS WIKIPEDIA PAGE IT IS STRANGE THERE IS NO MENTION OF HIM BEING A MARXIST -- STRANG E THAT INNIT OBVOIUSLY THE TIMES IN 2020 PRINTED LIES
Keith is pushing the envelope in terms of freebies;https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/keir-starmer-freebies-junkets-tottenham-hotspur-chelsea-coldplay-adele-google/The junketeer will be dunking his biscuit in the hospitality on offer once in office.This must be how he is planning to grow the economy, tickets for the privileged for all big events.
Interesting vid I've just seen showing one of Labour's donors, Stuart Roden, displaying his feathers at the Labour Party conference last year. He has donated about £1 million. I wonder what that buys from our glorious leader?Another Zionist has donated about £500k, so I think we know where Labour's foreign policy stands re Palestine.And some here slag off other countries for not being democratic. Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?https://youtu.be/BZ7qvTUAOPQ?si=AFbhaKq9K6m3OJZv&t=47(just over a minute to watch the display)
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 03, 2024, 10:06:56 pmInteresting vid I've just seen showing one of Labour's donors, Stuart Roden, displaying his feathers at the Labour Party conference last year. He has donated about £1 million. I wonder what that buys from our glorious leader?Another Zionist has donated about £500k, so I think we know where Labour's foreign policy stands re Palestine.And some here slag off other countries for not being democratic. Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?https://youtu.be/BZ7qvTUAOPQ?si=AFbhaKq9K6m3OJZv&t=47(just over a minute to watch the display)Maybe you could donate and do a bit of levelling up brr?
We're going to be an international laughing stock with that idiot at number 10.
Quote from: TonySoprano on June 29, 2024, 03:18:34 pmWe're going to be an international laughing stock with that idiot at number 10. Tony, you and I are clearly at very different points on the political spectrum. I've mentiioned numerous times but salient to do so again that I'm a LD member so I have no vested interest in sticking up fro Keir Starmer but to call him an idiot is quite frankly ludicrous. To pull one small quote from the piece above:Starmer gave the students a seminar about their government’s mistakes, and went on to write several important textbooks on human rights law in Europe.He joined me to establish Doughty Street Chambers, now Europe’s largest human rights practice, and acted in many of our leading cases. He was not, like a typical “QC MP”, a red-faced jury tub-thumper; his style was to write erudite but precise submissions and speak to them softly but persuasively, often prompting appeal judges to make decisions they would not, initially, have thought likely. Does that man sound liek an idiot to you? I'd love to know what standards you set for yourself to ensure you're above the idiocy threshold in that case!
Quote from: Mike_F on July 04, 2024, 11:44:23 amQuote from: TonySoprano on June 29, 2024, 03:18:34 pmWe're going to be an international laughing stock with that idiot at number 10. Tony, you and I are clearly at very different points on the political spectrum. I've mentiioned numerous times but salient to do so again that I'm a LD member so I have no vested interest in sticking up fro Keir Starmer but to call him an idiot is quite frankly ludicrous. To pull one small quote from the piece above:Starmer gave the students a seminar about their government’s mistakes, and went on to write several important textbooks on human rights law in Europe.He joined me to establish Doughty Street Chambers, now Europe’s largest human rights practice, and acted in many of our leading cases. He was not, like a typical “QC MP”, a red-faced jury tub-thumper; his style was to write erudite but precise submissions and speak to them softly but persuasively, often prompting appeal judges to make decisions they would not, initially, have thought likely. Does that man sound liek an idiot to you? I'd love to know what standards you set for yourself to ensure you're above the idiocy threshold in that case!Mike, just for balance, there have been a serious number of posts by different people who have called government ministers idiots, and much worse.
Quote from: drfchound on July 04, 2024, 12:47:13 pmQuote from: Mike_F on July 04, 2024, 11:44:23 amQuote from: TonySoprano on June 29, 2024, 03:18:34 pmWe're going to be an international laughing stock with that idiot at number 10. Tony, you and I are clearly at very different points on the political spectrum. I've mentiioned numerous times but salient to do so again that I'm a LD member so I have no vested interest in sticking up fro Keir Starmer but to call him an idiot is quite frankly ludicrous. To pull one small quote from the piece above:Starmer gave the students a seminar about their government’s mistakes, and went on to write several important textbooks on human rights law in Europe.He joined me to establish Doughty Street Chambers, now Europe’s largest human rights practice, and acted in many of our leading cases. He was not, like a typical “QC MP”, a red-faced jury tub-thumper; his style was to write erudite but precise submissions and speak to them softly but persuasively, often prompting appeal judges to make decisions they would not, initially, have thought likely. Does that man sound liek an idiot to you? I'd love to know what standards you set for yourself to ensure you're above the idiocy threshold in that case!Mike, just for balance, there have been a serious number of posts by different people who have called government ministers idiots, and much worse.There have but some of those have been justified. I wouldn't call Sunak an idiot for example but I would definitely call Nadine Dorries an idiot.The point I was making wasn't that it's wrong to have a dig at politicians per se, more that it's very hard to justify calling Starmer an idiot when you look at his achievements.
Leaving aside his politics, which of course is backwards, starmer is just not PM material at all. He's a spineless jellyfish who can't even say what a woman is. We're going to be an international laughing stock with that idiot at number 10. He'll be the most unpopular person in the country by Christmas, and won't even serve 1 term. Mark my words
Quote from: TonySoprano on June 29, 2024, 03:18:34 pmLeaving aside his politics, which of course is backwards, starmer is just not PM material at all. He's a spineless jellyfish who can't even say what a woman is. We're going to be an international laughing stock with that idiot at number 10. He'll be the most unpopular person in the country by Christmas, and won't even serve 1 term. Mark my words But Farage would make us proud to be British I assume?? People get too hung up on the leaders of parties. Behind every party is an underlying ethos of policies, meanings and driving forces, far more important then the leader. I'm not currently a fan of any leader or tbh party but still just about side more with the policies if Labour then any other and will be voting Labour purely to hope that my vote helps to rid of the Tories for a long long time.
Quote from: TonySoprano on June 29, 2024, 03:18:34 pmLeaving aside his politics, which of course is backwards, starmer is just not PM material at all. He's a spineless jellyfish who can't even say what a woman is. We're going to be an international laughing stock with that idiot at number 10. He'll be the most unpopular person in the country by Christmas, and won't even serve 1 term. Mark my wordsHe's escaped again nurse!!