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Quote from: Not Now Kato on December 05, 2023, 11:20:57 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on December 05, 2023, 08:10:30 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on December 05, 2023, 08:03:24 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on December 05, 2023, 06:32:49 pmFilo and NNK. A member of my family claimed £27000 in furlough whilst self-employed. That's a fact.BB is right on this. You're both wrong. My post was in relation to all BB's posts on this thread. However, in the instance you've just posted on, you're wrong as well as BB. What your family member claimed was a Grant from the Self-Employment Income Support Scheme - nothing at all to do with Furlough! The scheme also provided for the self employed to continue to work whilst they waited for the grant to be approved. Just saying. I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer i gave in post 76. You do seem to struggle with reality BB. For the record.... There were two schemes in operation during the pandemic.... 1. The Job Retention Scheme which was the one normally referred to by the term 'furlough'. This was aimed at companies to enable them to, as its name suggests, retain employees on the payroll; with the Government paying a percentage of each employees salary to the employer. It was the responsibility of the employer to make up the remainder of each employee's wages and pay them accordingly. 2. The Self-Employment Income Support Scheme. This came later and was aimed specifically, as its name suggests, at the self employed, to enable them to remain in business; and was in the form of a grant based on a percentage of the businesses past tax returns/profits with a fixed cap. This was never known as furlough and was managed completely separate of it. Kato, Every bit of what you have said above has been said before on this thread, some of it by me! I actually conceded that the correct title of the cash handed out to the self-employed may not officially have been called "furlough", but that doesn't by any means mean that the argument is lost. The point is, according to HMRC nearly 9% of the money handed out was fraudulently claimed or otherwise wrongly paid out in 2020. That figure is not exclusive to the self-employed, but Filo's obsession with the word "furlough" made it seem like it was. Filo chose a technicality involving one word as a distraction to divert the whole point of the argument, in the hope that people like you would follow that diversion.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 05, 2023, 08:10:30 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on December 05, 2023, 08:03:24 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on December 05, 2023, 06:32:49 pmFilo and NNK. A member of my family claimed £27000 in furlough whilst self-employed. That's a fact.BB is right on this. You're both wrong. My post was in relation to all BB's posts on this thread. However, in the instance you've just posted on, you're wrong as well as BB. What your family member claimed was a Grant from the Self-Employment Income Support Scheme - nothing at all to do with Furlough! The scheme also provided for the self employed to continue to work whilst they waited for the grant to be approved. Just saying. I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer i gave in post 76. You do seem to struggle with reality BB. For the record.... There were two schemes in operation during the pandemic.... 1. The Job Retention Scheme which was the one normally referred to by the term 'furlough'. This was aimed at companies to enable them to, as its name suggests, retain employees on the payroll; with the Government paying a percentage of each employees salary to the employer. It was the responsibility of the employer to make up the remainder of each employee's wages and pay them accordingly. 2. The Self-Employment Income Support Scheme. This came later and was aimed specifically, as its name suggests, at the self employed, to enable them to remain in business; and was in the form of a grant based on a percentage of the businesses past tax returns/profits with a fixed cap. This was never known as furlough and was managed completely separate of it.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on December 05, 2023, 08:03:24 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on December 05, 2023, 06:32:49 pmFilo and NNK. A member of my family claimed £27000 in furlough whilst self-employed. That's a fact.BB is right on this. You're both wrong. My post was in relation to all BB's posts on this thread. However, in the instance you've just posted on, you're wrong as well as BB. What your family member claimed was a Grant from the Self-Employment Income Support Scheme - nothing at all to do with Furlough! The scheme also provided for the self employed to continue to work whilst they waited for the grant to be approved. Just saying. I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer i gave in post 76.
Quote from: scawsby steve on December 05, 2023, 06:32:49 pmFilo and NNK. A member of my family claimed £27000 in furlough whilst self-employed. That's a fact.BB is right on this. You're both wrong. My post was in relation to all BB's posts on this thread. However, in the instance you've just posted on, you're wrong as well as BB. What your family member claimed was a Grant from the Self-Employment Income Support Scheme - nothing at all to do with Furlough! The scheme also provided for the self employed to continue to work whilst they waited for the grant to be approved. Just saying.
Filo and NNK. A member of my family claimed £27000 in furlough whilst self-employed. That's a fact.BB is right on this. You're both wrong.
By October/November 2020 many (not just a few headbangers) were sick to death of lockdowns and were going through the motions of safe distancing etc. Some people never even adhered to the first lockdown and worked through it; some even claimed furlough while still working. People were becoming more non-conforming, putting the government under more pressure while deciding whether to put the country back into lockdown, which would have been an unpopular decision for many and possibly ignored enough to make a lockdown pointless. .... And that was even without considering the lives versus livelihoods equation.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on December 04, 2023, 11:26:49 pmI can understand some people being suckered in to support Tory plans and promises, but defending what they've done by pretending they've been unlucky? A bit like the drunk driver blaming the brick wall for not getting out of the way.No comprendo
I can understand some people being suckered in to support Tory plans and promises, but defending what they've done by pretending they've been unlucky? A bit like the drunk driver blaming the brick wall for not getting out of the way.
So. Did you report that crook you know BB?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 05, 2023, 12:32:47 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on December 04, 2023, 11:26:49 pmI can understand some people being suckered in to support Tory plans and promises, but defending what they've done by pretending they've been unlucky? A bit like the drunk driver blaming the brick wall for not getting out of the way.No comprendoReally? Watch out for those brick walls sneaking up on you.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 06, 2023, 10:16:16 amSo. Did you report that crook you know BB?Like I said earlier, Yeah, but they told me I was wrong because nobody self-employed received 'furlough' money.Do you think they were right?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on December 06, 2023, 01:16:59 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on December 05, 2023, 12:32:47 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on December 04, 2023, 11:26:49 pmI can understand some people being suckered in to support Tory plans and promises, but defending what they've done by pretending they've been unlucky? A bit like the drunk driver blaming the brick wall for not getting out of the way.No comprendoReally? Watch out for those brick walls sneaking up on you.No, you No comprendo! I don't support Tory plans and promises, and would only vote Tory if Labour was the only alternative.
So what's the obvious, Oh great one?
I think Bentley & Billy are having us all on and are in fact the same person. I’ve never seen them in a room together. Does make me wonder…
Hey Billy! Look at the quality of the followers you attract! Why don't you break away from this 4th division off-topic football forum and show your political greatness in the real world? What with the courage of Nelson Mandela, the heart of Mahatma Gandhi, the charity of Mother Theresa and the brains of Jeremy Corbyn Keir Starmer, you'll be PM before Donny Rovers return to the Championship.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 06, 2023, 08:22:10 pmHey Billy! Look at the quality of the followers you attract! Why don't you break away from this 4th division off-topic football forum and show your political greatness in the real world? What with the courage of Nelson Mandela, the heart of Mahatma Gandhi, the charity of Mother Theresa and the brains of Jeremy Corbyn Keir Starmer, you'll be PM before Donny Rovers return to the Championship.QED
''#10 culture led to better decisions'' serious question bb (snigger) are you writing the lines for him?
OK, Explain what I said was wrong. Start with my last post to keep it topical, and then perhaps start at the very beginning of the thread and tell me if you think BST's responses were actual responses to what I said.Then perhaps you can tell me if YOUR responses were actual responses to what I said.As for the Tory jibes, It's not the Tories I'm supporting here, I'm showing my objection, and often disgust at the likes of BST and his handful of followers.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 06, 2023, 09:24:05 amOK, Explain what I said was wrong. Start with my last post to keep it topical, and then perhaps start at the very beginning of the thread and tell me if you think BST's responses were actual responses to what I said.Then perhaps you can tell me if YOUR responses were actual responses to what I said.As for the Tory jibes, It's not the Tories I'm supporting here, I'm showing my objection, and often disgust at the likes of BST and his handful of followers. Maybe if you re-read this thread from the beginning you’d see where what you’ve said was wrong as it’s been pointed out to you clearly and with facts. Of course, if you fail to see that then you’re a lost cause and no one should take your posts seriously, (actually, I’m not sure many do anyway ).