Brexit is the best thing that ever happened to Britain

[selby]

  All the countries that could then elect governments to do the best for the electorate in their own countries, and if they don't vote them out, it is not a new concept Billy.
  And don't come on about wars in the past excuse Billy, what we have now is building up to probably the biggest face off of all time and the EU will be in amongst it whether you like it or not if it does kick off, and what they and us will have to be aware of is the enemy within, whether you think so or not, current and present emigration policies will be a problem of faith in European countries including the EU.

[SydneyRover]

Man with two dicks accidentally opts to have brain removed and says ‘I’ve never felt better’

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'll ask you again Selby. No word salad answer required.

Who do you think benefits if the democracies of Europe are divided?

[Sprotyrover]

Man with two dicks accidentally opts to have brain removed and says ‘I’ve never felt better’

Billy you really should get specialist advice about having one of those Dicks you’ve got removed preferably the one growing out of your Forhead!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Man with two dicks accidentally opts to have brain removed and says ‘I’ve never felt better’

Billy you really should get specialist advice about having one of those Dicks you’ve got removed preferably the one growing out of your Forhead!

Thanks for that Sproty. Very nice of you.

Tell me, do you ever read the stuff you post before you post it?

[selby]

  Typical Syd when your flustered and nobody takes a blind bit of notice of you, insults again,  how's the poor old neighbours?

[SydneyRover]

congrats selby, you just claimed the booby prize

[Dutch Uncle]

In response to the original post with title 'Brexit is is best thing that ever happened to Britain' I will point out that geographical term Britain is not the whole of the political nation of the UK.

Brexit is a disaster for Northern Ireland and has wrecked the status quo established after the Good Friday Agreement to the severe detriment of the country. Admittedly the politicians in Northern Ireland don't need much help to make a mess of things, but the delicate political balance has been destroyed, and in addition there are so many things we cannot get any more from the mainland because of reams of paperwork required. This is not just foodstuffs, silly things like ball point pens are becoming a problem (seen as having chemical content) and tragically for me personally we couldn't get a stairlift for my wife's last few weeks purely because the mainland manufacturer would only send to NI when they had enough orders. This delayed things hugely and when it came she was only able to use it for one day before never coming down  stairs again.       

You will have to forgive my lasting anger at the politicians who caused this with their ignorant blatant lies about Northern Ireland and its border.

[Sprotyrover]

In response to the original post with title 'Brexit is is best thing that ever happened to Britain' I will point out that geographical term Britain is not the whole of the political nation of the UK.

Brexit is a disaster for Northern Ireland and has wrecked the status quo established after the Good Friday Agreement to the severe detriment of the country. Admittedly the politicians in Northern Ireland don't need much help to make a mess of things, but the delicate political balance has been destroyed, and in addition there are so many things we cannot get any more from the mainland because of reams of paperwork required. This is not just foodstuffs, silly things like ball point pens are becoming a problem (seen as having chemical content) and tragically for me personally we couldn't get a stairlift for my wife's last few weeks purely because the mainland manufacturer would only send to NI when they had enough orders. This delayed things hugely and when it came she was only able to use it for one day before never coming down  stairs again.       

You will have to forgive my lasting anger at the politicians who caused this with their ignorant blatant lies about Northern Ireland and its border.

I am sincerely sorry to hear of the personal anguish Brexit has caused to you Dutch, It’s a pity that the 2 parts don’t unite, unfortunately I don’t see it ever happening, not without it causing major security issues for the Dublin Government.

[Dutch Uncle]

The potential road to unification is set out in the Good Friday Agreement, with two border simple majority polls required, one in the North to see if a majority want to join and one in the South to see if a majority want them. This is the same Good Friday Agreement utterly ignored and trashed by the current UK Government.

I like the attached youtube clip from four years ago by an American with a sense of humour and with no axe to grind for either side of the Brexit argument, and a surprisingly clear understanding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Yv24cM2os

[Ldr]

It makes no sense for the island of Ireland not to be a single territorial unit

[Dutch Uncle]

It makes no sense for the island of Ireland not to be a single territorial unit

History plays a huge part, and as of today there is still a majority in Northern Ireland wishing to remain a part of the UK. You can query the long term sense of the partition in 1921 and say the British simply kicked all the problems down the road, and that reality is biting us today, but reality it undeniably is. 

The UK was happy to fight a war 8000 miles away in 1982 because the majority of people in the Falklands wanted to remain a British Overseas Territory. You would think their interest and commitment to a place that is part of the UK itself would be higher than that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The potential road to unification is set out in the Good Friday Agreement, with two border simple majority polls required, one in the North to see if a majority want to join and one in the South to see if a majority want them. This is the same Good Friday Agreement utterly ignored and trashed by the current UK Government.

I like the attached youtube clip from four years ago by an American with a sense of humour and with no axe to grind for either side of the Brexit argument, and a surprisingly clear understanding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Yv24cM2os

One quote in that video is simple enough for a kid to understand but it was never, ever discussed in 2016.

"Promising Maximum Brexit means there's gotta be a wall SOMEWHERE".

It is SO bleeding obvious. And if people do not understand something as simple as that, the whole principle of referendums is out the window.

[Sprotyrover]

It makes no sense for the island of Ireland not to be a single territorial unit

History plays a huge part, and as of today there is still a majority in Northern Ireland wishing to remain a part of the UK. You can query the long term sense of the partition in 1921 and say the British simply kicked all the problems down the road, and that reality is biting us today, but reality it undeniably is. 

The UK was happy to fight a war 8000 miles away in 1982 because the majority of people in the Falklands wanted to remain a British Overseas Territory. You would think their interest and commitment to a place that is part of the UK itself would be higher than that.

When you look into the Folk songs circa 1797 th Fenians were both religions and united in their cause, it seems to have started going downhill then

[Sprotyrover]

Mein Gott Valter!
https://www.ft.com/content/5050571e-79f9-4cb7-991c-093702ec8833

[SydneyRover]

silly boy sprot, have you just worked it out that brexit is from and driven by those captured by the far right?

[Sprotyrover]

Looks like the French farmers are kicking off too
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjj0MXzyPmDAxWqgf0HHVArBzAQwqsBegQIERAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Fen%2Ffrance%2Fvideo%2F2024%2F01%2F23%2Fimages-of-farmers-blocking-french-roads-in-protest-of-rising-costs-excessive-regulation_6458285_7.html&usg=AOvVaw0h6TMJBvAocbXQmYHb35gr&opi=89978449

[Sprotyrover]

As you will have sen on the BBC French Farmers have used thousands of Tractors to Gridlock Paris etc, we can count ourselves fortunate to be out of the clutches of the Fat Cat bureaucrats in Brussels causing disquiet and misery throughout the farming community in France,Germany Netherlands and every where else in the EEC

[Not Now Kato]

As you will have sen on the BBC French Farmers have used thousands of Tractors to Gridlock Paris etc, we can count ourselves fortunate to be out of the clutches of the Fat Cat bureaucrats in Brussels causing disquiet and misery throughout the farming community in France,Germany Netherlands and every where else in the EEC

Perhaps you should read this and see what you voted to give away and why the French are free to do what they choose to do.
 
https://iea.org.uk/why-brexit-was-a-mistake-from-a-libertarian-perspective/

[Sprotyrover]

As you will have sen on the BBC French Farmers have used thousands of Tractors to Gridlock Paris etc, we can count ourselves fortunate to be out of the clutches of the Fat Cat bureaucrats in Brussels causing disquiet and misery throughout the farming community in France,Germany Netherlands and every where else in the EEC

Perhaps you should read this and see what you voted to give away and why the French are free to do what they choose to do.
 
https://iea.org.uk/why-brexit-was-a-mistake-from-a-libertarian-perspective/

Oh dear how sad , never mind My heart bleeds for
The libertarians who voted for Brexit all 5 of them!
Definition of a Libertine “ a person, especially a man, who freely indulges in sensual pleasures without regard to moral principles:”

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Not sure it's the right thread but closest we have. The Hungary situation shows how difficult it is to bring together countries across Europe to a consensus.  Interesting to see an anti EU party in Germany polling fairly well too.

Not sure how the EU can get itself in a more reformed, stronger position.

[drfchound]

Germany now at the bottom of the economic growth table.

[normal rules]

Not sure it's the right thread but closest we have. The Hungary situation shows how difficult it is to bring together countries across Europe to a consensus.  Interesting to see an anti EU party in Germany polling fairly well too.

Not sure how the EU can get itself in a more reformed, stronger position.

Germany are not the only country with growing anti EU sentiment.

[SydneyRover]

Is this the whole of Germany nr?

[SydneyRover]

As you will have sen on the BBC French Farmers have used thousands of Tractors to Gridlock Paris etc, we can count ourselves fortunate to be out of the clutches of the Fat Cat bureaucrats in Brussels causing disquiet and misery throughout the farming community in France,Germany Netherlands and every where else in the EEC

Perhaps you should read this and see what you voted to give away and why the French are free to do what they choose to do.
 
https://iea.org.uk/why-brexit-was-a-mistake-from-a-libertarian-perspective/

Oh dear how sad , never mind My heart bleeds for
The libertarians who voted for Brexit all 5 of them!
Definition of a Libertine “ a person, especially a man, who freely indulges in sensual pleasures without regard to moral principles:”

better question/s are what are people doing with all that sovrenty? saving it up for a rainy day, have they used it all up or will they bequeath what's left to their extended family. Can it be traded like bit-coin, come on guys tell me what you have done with yours, it's probably the second most expensive outlay in your life

[Glyn_Wigley]

The next trenche of Brexit benefits coming in the next few days...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68135059

[Ldr]

Well this is different

https://www.ft.com/content/9dabcd4b-9c64-4124-9f9c-b0c898c84c8f


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   The EU will sabotage Hungary’s economy if Budapest blocks fresh aid to Ukraine at a summit this week, under a confidential plan drawn up by Brussels that marks a significant escalation in the battle between the EU and its most pro-Russian member state. 

In a document drawn up by EU officials and seen by the Financial Times, Brussels has outlined a strategy to explicitly target Hungary’s economic weaknesses, imperil its currency and drive a collapse in investor confidence in a bid to hurt “jobs and growth” if Budapest refuses to lift its veto against the aid to Kyiv.


Viktor Orbán, Hungary’s premier, has vowed to block the use of the EU budget to provide €50bn in financial aid to Ukraine at an emergency summit of leaders on Thursday.

If he does not back down, other EU leaders should publicly vow to permanently shut off all EU funding to Budapest with the intention of spooking the markets, precipitating a run on the country’s forint currency and a surge in the cost of its borrowing, Brussels stated in the document.

“This is Europe telling Viktor Orbán ‘enough is enough; it’s time to get in line. You may have a pistol, but we have the bazooka’,” said Mujtaba Rahman, Europe director at Eurasia Group, a consultancy.

The document declares that “in the case of no agreement in the February 1 [summit], other heads of state and government would publicly declare that in the light of the unconstructive behaviour of the Hungarian PM . . . they cannot imagine that” EU funds would be provided to Budapest.

Without that funding, “financial markets and European and international companies might be less interested to invest in Hungary”, the document stated. Such punishment “could quickly trigger a further increase of the cost of funding of the public deficit and a drop in the currency”.

János Bóka, Hungary’s EU minister, told the FT that Budapest was not aware of the financial threat, but that his country “does not give in to pressure”.

“Hungary does not establish a connection between support for Ukraine and access to EU funds, and rejects other parties doing so,” he said. “Hungary has and will continue to participate constructively in the negotiations.”

But in a sign of the rising pressure on Budapest to strike a compromise, Bóka said Budapest sent a new proposal to Brussels on Saturday, specifying it was now open to using the EU budget for the Ukraine package and even issuing common debt to finance it, if other caveats were added that gave Budapest the opportunity to change its mind at a later date.

The document, produced by an official in the Council of the EU, the Brussels body that represents member states, lays out Hungary’s economic vulnerabilities — including its “very high public deficit”, “very high inflation”, weak currency and the EU’s highest level of debt servicing payments as a proportion of gross domestic product.

It lays outs how “jobs and growth . . . depend to a large extent” on overseas finance that is predicated on high levels of EU funding.

A spokesperson for the Council of the EU said they did not comment on leaks.

Brussels has wielded its financial leverage against member states before, such as with Poland and Hungary over rule of law concerns and Greece during the eurozone crisis, but a strategy to explicitly seek to undermine a member state’s economy would mark a major new step for the bloc.

Three EU diplomats told the FT that many countries backed the plan. “The mood has got harsher,” said one. “What kind of union do we have if we allow this kind of behaviour?”

Another said: “The stakes are high. It is blackmail.”

Bóka told the FT that Budapest wanted “to explore the possibility of a more constructive and European solution” and has proposed it could support the €50bn plan if it was given an annual veto on the payments. Other EU countries have already refused this suggestion as they fear Orbán would seek to block it every year and extract further concessions.

But one of the diplomats added there was “no way” Orbán would get a veto over funding. 

Bóka said “the political pressure on Hungary is continuous and strong” but that it did not influence his government’s negotiations.

“We had to take a step, and we trust that the other party will be similarly flexible,” he added.

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While 26 member states have a plan B to send money to Kyiv outside the EU budget, that would require national parliaments’ ratification, causing delays and uncertainty. 

Several capitals have considered whether it is feasible to use Article 7 of the Treaty on the European Union, which would allow Brussels to strip Budapest of its voting rights or, one diplomat said, block disbursement of money. But others have rebuffed the notion given that it requires unanimous support and many countries are reluctant to deploy such a serious sanction. 

Bóka said it was important that EU unity was “preserved”, adding: “That is why we are willing to make compromises so long as they do not affect our vital interests.”

He added, however, that if the compromise effort failed, Hungary’s original proposal of a separate Ukraine fund outside the EU budget would be Budapest’s preference.

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[mugnapper]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-border-controls-coming-into-effect-today-will-force-up-price-of-food-and-flowers-13060123

Yay Brexit!!

[Pancho Regan]

As you will have sen on the BBC French Farmers have used thousands of Tractors to Gridlock Paris etc, we can count ourselves fortunate to be out of the clutches of the Fat Cat bureaucrats in Brussels causing disquiet and misery throughout the farming community in France,Germany Netherlands and every where else in the EEC

Perhaps you should read this and see what you voted to give away and why the French are free to do what they choose to do.
 
https://iea.org.uk/why-brexit-was-a-mistake-from-a-libertarian-perspective/

Oh dear how sad , never mind My heart bleeds for
The libertarians who voted for Brexit all 5 of them!
Definition of a Libertine “ a person, especially a man, who freely indulges in sensual pleasures without regard to moral principles:”

Err .... you wouldn't be getting your Libertarians and Libertines mixed up by any chance?

[SydneyRover]

Andrea Leadsom jeez ..........