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I’ve made this point over the years and while it is definitely not a salve for all of our ills, the board took the decision several years ago to stop publishing full accounts and disclosing our wage and salary information. We did this for many years and then stopped. For a club that rightly makes great play on the community work and supporter engagement and involvement, this lack of transparency that is not typical of all clubs certainly, doesn’t sit altogether well.
Quote from: Chris Black come back on February 02, 2024, 08:02:41 amI’ve made this point over the years and while it is definitely not a salve for all of our ills, the board took the decision several years ago to stop publishing full accounts and disclosing our wage and salary information. We did this for many years and then stopped. For a club that rightly makes great play on the community work and supporter engagement and involvement, this lack of transparency that is not typical of all clubs certainly, doesn’t sit altogether well. That was obviously done to be able to over represent what we have been spending and they didn’t want a stick for the fans to beat them with.
Quote from: GazLaz on February 02, 2024, 08:14:54 amQuote from: Chris Black come back on February 02, 2024, 08:02:41 amI’ve made this point over the years and while it is definitely not a salve for all of our ills, the board took the decision several years ago to stop publishing full accounts and disclosing our wage and salary information. We did this for many years and then stopped. For a club that rightly makes great play on the community work and supporter engagement and involvement, this lack of transparency that is not typical of all clubs certainly, doesn’t sit altogether well. That was obviously done to be able to over represent what we have been spending and they didn’t want a stick for the fans to beat them with. Well, it's not like folk would just look at the headline figures, jump to conclusions, vent their anger, before reading the full information is it? For the average person, interpreting full accounts can be difficult, especially when time has elapsed. It's generally more understood and easier to absorb when someone like Kieran McGuire summarises accounts. I'm all for transparency, as long as folk do not deliberately misrepresent the information within the accounts.
Quote from: DonnyBazR0ver on February 02, 2024, 08:54:21 amQuote from: GazLaz on February 02, 2024, 08:14:54 amQuote from: Chris Black come back on February 02, 2024, 08:02:41 amI’ve made this point over the years and while it is definitely not a salve for all of our ills, the board took the decision several years ago to stop publishing full accounts and disclosing our wage and salary information. We did this for many years and then stopped. For a club that rightly makes great play on the community work and supporter engagement and involvement, this lack of transparency that is not typical of all clubs certainly, doesn’t sit altogether well. That was obviously done to be able to over represent what we have been spending and they didn’t want a stick for the fans to beat them with. Well, it's not like folk would just look at the headline figures, jump to conclusions, vent their anger, before reading the full information is it? For the average person, interpreting full accounts can be difficult, especially when time has elapsed. It's generally more understood and easier to absorb when someone like Kieran McGuire summarises accounts. I'm all for transparency, as long as folk do not deliberately misrepresent the information within the accounts. People like Kieran Maguire, football finance expert, do full articles on each teams accounts. Analysing trends and assessing sustainability etc..
Quote from: GazLaz on February 02, 2024, 09:08:01 amQuote from: DonnyBazR0ver on February 02, 2024, 08:54:21 amQuote from: GazLaz on February 02, 2024, 08:14:54 amQuote from: Chris Black come back on February 02, 2024, 08:02:41 amI’ve made this point over the years and while it is definitely not a salve for all of our ills, the board took the decision several years ago to stop publishing full accounts and disclosing our wage and salary information. We did this for many years and then stopped. For a club that rightly makes great play on the community work and supporter engagement and involvement, this lack of transparency that is not typical of all clubs certainly, doesn’t sit altogether well. That was obviously done to be able to over represent what we have been spending and they didn’t want a stick for the fans to beat them with. Well, it's not like folk would just look at the headline figures, jump to conclusions, vent their anger, before reading the full information is it? For the average person, interpreting full accounts can be difficult, especially when time has elapsed. It's generally more understood and easier to absorb when someone like Kieran McGuire summarises accounts. I'm all for transparency, as long as folk do not deliberately misrepresent the information within the accounts. People like Kieran Maguire, football finance expert, do full articles on each teams accounts. Analysing trends and assessing sustainability etc..I know, that's why I referenced him.
Quote from: silent majority on February 01, 2024, 11:52:04 pmQuote from: Pancho Regan on February 01, 2024, 11:00:40 pmQuote from: Canadian Rover on February 01, 2024, 10:46:25 pmPancho, what gives you the confidence on those running the club? (I don't mean the coaching management team btw)Because Terry Bramhall truly cares about the Club. So much so that he has recently taken what must have been a very difficult decision in removing his long-time colleague and business partner, David Blunt, from the position of Chairman of the Club in order to take over the reigns himself.Terry has too much dignity and humanity to sack Blunt and slag him off, but clearly he was not happy with the way the Club was going and he acted decisively.Terry has said that he looks back with pride at the time we were in the Championship and he wants those times to return. I believe him.Gavin Baldwin is an excellent CEO and would be coveted by many other clubs much higher in the football pyramid. The work he has done behind the scenes to improve the financial stability of the Club and to safeguard its future is exemplary. He also cares passionately about the Rovers, I can assure you of that.We have had an awful three years or so, and I’m hurting just as much as any other fan.But Terry and Gavin feel the same pain and they are desperate to turn things around. Do you think it was easy to sack the previous Manager and bring in McCann? Was that the act of a Board who don’t care or who are incompetent?It’s time to do what fans should do. Take a deep breath, roll up our sleeves and get behind the team and the Club in its hour of need.That what I’m trying to do.Others can deal with the current situation as they see fit.Well said Pancho.It was a relatively small mistake, made because of a change in how loan payments were to be invoiced and not picked up by the FD, the same one who sent an incorrect payment to HMRC which everybody seems to be beating the club up about as well.I feel sorry for Richard the FD, he was a decent bloke but the job seemed to become too much for him. He's moved on now, away from football too I understand.I doubt very much if we will ever have anything similar happening whilst TB is Chair, if anything he'll pay everything in advance!Let’s blame Richard for issues with payments. Let’s blame Jones for bad positioning from free kicks. Let’s blame Coppinger for a poor crop of signings. Let’s blame whoever for the issue with Goldman’s loan. Let’s blame Grant for producing a horrible football team. Let’s blame the physio for so many injuries. At what point do we start looking at the people at the top? Is it possible that the hierarchy (however well intentioned and capable) have just gone past their sell by date? It’s quite possible to run out of ideas and become stale, whatever industry you are in.
Quote from: Pancho Regan on February 01, 2024, 11:00:40 pmQuote from: Canadian Rover on February 01, 2024, 10:46:25 pmPancho, what gives you the confidence on those running the club? (I don't mean the coaching management team btw)Because Terry Bramhall truly cares about the Club. So much so that he has recently taken what must have been a very difficult decision in removing his long-time colleague and business partner, David Blunt, from the position of Chairman of the Club in order to take over the reigns himself.Terry has too much dignity and humanity to sack Blunt and slag him off, but clearly he was not happy with the way the Club was going and he acted decisively.Terry has said that he looks back with pride at the time we were in the Championship and he wants those times to return. I believe him.Gavin Baldwin is an excellent CEO and would be coveted by many other clubs much higher in the football pyramid. The work he has done behind the scenes to improve the financial stability of the Club and to safeguard its future is exemplary. He also cares passionately about the Rovers, I can assure you of that.We have had an awful three years or so, and I’m hurting just as much as any other fan.But Terry and Gavin feel the same pain and they are desperate to turn things around. Do you think it was easy to sack the previous Manager and bring in McCann? Was that the act of a Board who don’t care or who are incompetent?It’s time to do what fans should do. Take a deep breath, roll up our sleeves and get behind the team and the Club in its hour of need.That what I’m trying to do.Others can deal with the current situation as they see fit.Well said Pancho.It was a relatively small mistake, made because of a change in how loan payments were to be invoiced and not picked up by the FD, the same one who sent an incorrect payment to HMRC which everybody seems to be beating the club up about as well.I feel sorry for Richard the FD, he was a decent bloke but the job seemed to become too much for him. He's moved on now, away from football too I understand.I doubt very much if we will ever have anything similar happening whilst TB is Chair, if anything he'll pay everything in advance!
Quote from: Canadian Rover on February 01, 2024, 10:46:25 pmPancho, what gives you the confidence on those running the club? (I don't mean the coaching management team btw)Because Terry Bramhall truly cares about the Club. So much so that he has recently taken what must have been a very difficult decision in removing his long-time colleague and business partner, David Blunt, from the position of Chairman of the Club in order to take over the reigns himself.Terry has too much dignity and humanity to sack Blunt and slag him off, but clearly he was not happy with the way the Club was going and he acted decisively.Terry has said that he looks back with pride at the time we were in the Championship and he wants those times to return. I believe him.Gavin Baldwin is an excellent CEO and would be coveted by many other clubs much higher in the football pyramid. The work he has done behind the scenes to improve the financial stability of the Club and to safeguard its future is exemplary. He also cares passionately about the Rovers, I can assure you of that.We have had an awful three years or so, and I’m hurting just as much as any other fan.But Terry and Gavin feel the same pain and they are desperate to turn things around. Do you think it was easy to sack the previous Manager and bring in McCann? Was that the act of a Board who don’t care or who are incompetent?It’s time to do what fans should do. Take a deep breath, roll up our sleeves and get behind the team and the Club in its hour of need.That what I’m trying to do.Others can deal with the current situation as they see fit.
Pancho, what gives you the confidence on those running the club? (I don't mean the coaching management team btw)
Quote from: Spilsby Red on February 01, 2024, 09:42:17 pmWell said BFYPI disagree. I don’t think it was at all well said by BFYP, especially the comment that he has no confidence that the current regime can turn things around.I find the criticisms of the club on this thread quite breathtaking. It’s as if you are all waiting for an opportunity to jump in and slag off the club. None of you know the details behind this issue and yet you act like baying hounds who can’t wait to dive in and throw criticism and insults at the people running the club.Call yourselves supporters?! Shame on you.Every company I’ve worked for has at some time paid invoices later than the due dates, for all sorts of reasons. And I’m not talking about “tin pot” companies. Have any of you ever missed paying your credit card bills on time, or are you all f**king perfect?Some of the posts on this thread sound like the tantrums of toddlers. We don’t know the background to this issue so wind your necks in for f**ks sake.And if the late payments were for the services of Todd f**king Miller, good on the club! Brighton sent us a pup and they should pay us compensation!To all those ranting about how shit our club is, I say get a grip and be careful what you wish for.
Well said BFYP
SM - couple of questions for you and members of the shadow board (if they read this post)If the EFL didn't make a statement would the supporters have been told about this?If not why not? What were the timelines of the decisions? How are things going to improve at the club on a go forth basis?What communication happened between Brighton and the Rovers before this was reported to the EFL?
Quote from: Canadian Rover on February 02, 2024, 10:29:23 amSM - couple of questions for you and members of the shadow board (if they read this post)If the EFL didn't make a statement would the supporters have been told about this?If not why not? What were the timelines of the decisions? How are things going to improve at the club on a go forth basis?What communication happened between Brighton and the Rovers before this was reported to the EFL? Maybe this will help;https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2024/february/statement/
Quote from: GazLaz on February 02, 2024, 06:15:37 amQuote from: silent majority on February 01, 2024, 11:52:04 pmQuote from: Pancho Regan on February 01, 2024, 11:00:40 pmQuote from: Canadian Rover on February 01, 2024, 10:46:25 pmPancho, what gives you the confidence on those running the club? (I don't mean the coaching management team btw)Because Terry Bramhall truly cares about the Club. So much so that he has recently taken what must have been a very difficult decision in removing his long-time colleague and business partner, David Blunt, from the position of Chairman of the Club in order to take over the reigns himself.Terry has too much dignity and humanity to sack Blunt and slag him off, but clearly he was not happy with the way the Club was going and he acted decisively.Terry has said that he looks back with pride at the time we were in the Championship and he wants those times to return. I believe him.Gavin Baldwin is an excellent CEO and would be coveted by many other clubs much higher in the football pyramid. The work he has done behind the scenes to improve the financial stability of the Club and to safeguard its future is exemplary. He also cares passionately about the Rovers, I can assure you of that.We have had an awful three years or so, and I’m hurting just as much as any other fan.But Terry and Gavin feel the same pain and they are desperate to turn things around. Do you think it was easy to sack the previous Manager and bring in McCann? Was that the act of a Board who don’t care or who are incompetent?It’s time to do what fans should do. Take a deep breath, roll up our sleeves and get behind the team and the Club in its hour of need.That what I’m trying to do.Others can deal with the current situation as they see fit.Well said Pancho.It was a relatively small mistake, made because of a change in how loan payments were to be invoiced and not picked up by the FD, the same one who sent an incorrect payment to HMRC which everybody seems to be beating the club up about as well.I feel sorry for Richard the FD, he was a decent bloke but the job seemed to become too much for him. He's moved on now, away from football too I understand.I doubt very much if we will ever have anything similar happening whilst TB is Chair, if anything he'll pay everything in advance!Let’s blame Richard for issues with payments. Let’s blame Jones for bad positioning from free kicks. Let’s blame Coppinger for a poor crop of signings. Let’s blame whoever for the issue with Goldman’s loan. Let’s blame Grant for producing a horrible football team. Let’s blame the physio for so many injuries. At what point do we start looking at the people at the top? Is it possible that the hierarchy (however well intentioned and capable) have just gone past their sell by date? It’s quite possible to run out of ideas and become stale, whatever industry you are in. Your post would have had some relevance if I'd have mentioned any of those you listed, but I haven'tI've never mentioned Jones, nor Goodman's loan, nor Coppinger, nor Grant, nor the physio.So quoting me seems a tad personal.Nothing new there.
That club statement is laughable. It says it didn't affect the business this current transfer window, which is either a lie or it means the club always intended to spend zero this January, which is mental given we are fighting for our league status, and all the hot air spouted by brammall at the MTO event. SELL THE CLUB !
Quote from: TonySoprano on February 02, 2024, 11:39:29 amThat club statement is laughable. It says it didn't affect the business this current transfer window, which is either a lie or it means the club always intended to spend zero this January, which is mental given we are fighting for our league status, and all the hot air spouted by brammall at the MTO event. SELL THE CLUB ! Can we ban this clown
Quote from: silent majority on February 02, 2024, 10:16:26 amQuote from: GazLaz on February 02, 2024, 06:15:37 amQuote from: silent majority on February 01, 2024, 11:52:04 pmQuote from: Pancho Regan on February 01, 2024, 11:00:40 pmQuote from: Canadian Rover on February 01, 2024, 10:46:25 pmPancho, what gives you the confidence on those running the club? (I don't mean the coaching management team btw)Because Terry Bramhall truly cares about the Club. So much so that he has recently taken what must have been a very difficult decision in removing his long-time colleague and business partner, David Blunt, from the position of Chairman of the Club in order to take over the reigns himself.Terry has too much dignity and humanity to sack Blunt and slag him off, but clearly he was not happy with the way the Club was going and he acted decisively.Terry has said that he looks back with pride at the time we were in the Championship and he wants those times to return. I believe him.Gavin Baldwin is an excellent CEO and would be coveted by many other clubs much higher in the football pyramid. The work he has done behind the scenes to improve the financial stability of the Club and to safeguard its future is exemplary. He also cares passionately about the Rovers, I can assure you of that.We have had an awful three years or so, and I’m hurting just as much as any other fan.But Terry and Gavin feel the same pain and they are desperate to turn things around. Do you think it was easy to sack the previous Manager and bring in McCann? Was that the act of a Board who don’t care or who are incompetent?It’s time to do what fans should do. Take a deep breath, roll up our sleeves and get behind the team and the Club in its hour of need.That what I’m trying to do.Others can deal with the current situation as they see fit.Well said Pancho.It was a relatively small mistake, made because of a change in how loan payments were to be invoiced and not picked up by the FD, the same one who sent an incorrect payment to HMRC which everybody seems to be beating the club up about as well.I feel sorry for Richard the FD, he was a decent bloke but the job seemed to become too much for him. He's moved on now, away from football too I understand.I doubt very much if we will ever have anything similar happening whilst TB is Chair, if anything he'll pay everything in advance!Let’s blame Richard for issues with payments. Let’s blame Jones for bad positioning from free kicks. Let’s blame Coppinger for a poor crop of signings. Let’s blame whoever for the issue with Goldman’s loan. Let’s blame Grant for producing a horrible football team. Let’s blame the physio for so many injuries. At what point do we start looking at the people at the top? Is it possible that the hierarchy (however well intentioned and capable) have just gone past their sell by date? It’s quite possible to run out of ideas and become stale, whatever industry you are in. Your post would have had some relevance if I'd have mentioned any of those you listed, but I haven'tI've never mentioned Jones, nor Goodman's loan, nor Coppinger, nor Grant, nor the physio.So quoting me seems a tad personal.Nothing new there.It wasn’t wholly directed at you Martin, just your post was another episode in someone apportioning blame for a mistake to an individual within the structure. It wasn’t a personal attack at all. Terry blamed the chairman. The chairman blamed the manager. The manager blamed the recruitment. The head of recruitment blamed the owners for not supplying funds. The players blame the medical staff. It’s not right is it? Nobody trusts anyone or any part of the process.
Looks like theres a possibility that the FD hasn’t been replaced.
Quote from: dickos1 on February 02, 2024, 11:43:58 amQuote from: TonySoprano on February 02, 2024, 11:39:29 amThat club statement is laughable. It says it didn't affect the business this current transfer window, which is either a lie or it means the club always intended to spend zero this January, which is mental given we are fighting for our league status, and all the hot air spouted by brammall at the MTO event. SELL THE CLUB ! Can we ban this clownWell thought out and reasoned argument based on facts and pragmatism as usual I see dickos.
Quote from: GazLaz on February 02, 2024, 06:15:37 amQuote from: silent majority on February 01, 2024, 11:52:04 pmQuote from: Pancho Regan on February 01, 2024, 11:00:40 pmQuote from: Canadian Rover on February 01, 2024, 10:46:25 pmPancho, what gives you the confidence on those running the club? (I don't mean the coaching management team btw)Because Terry Bramhall truly cares about the Club. So much so that he has recently taken what must have been a very difficult decision in removing his long-time colleague and business partner, David Blunt, from the position of Chairman of the Club in order to take over the reigns himself.Terry has too much dignity and humanity to sack Blunt and slag him off, but clearly he was not happy with the way the Club was going and he acted decisively.Terry has said that he looks back with pride at the time we were in the Championship and he wants those times to return. I believe him.Gavin Baldwin is an excellent CEO and would be coveted by many other clubs much higher in the football pyramid. The work he has done behind the scenes to improve the financial stability of the Club and to safeguard its future is exemplary. He also cares passionately about the Rovers, I can assure you of that.We have had an awful three years or so, and I’m hurting just as much as any other fan.But Terry and Gavin feel the same pain and they are desperate to turn things around. Do you think it was easy to sack the previous Manager and bring in McCann? Was that the act of a Board who don’t care or who are incompetent?It’s time to do what fans should do. Take a deep breath, roll up our sleeves and get behind the team and the Club in its hour of need.That what I’m trying to do.Others can deal with the current situation as they see fit.Well said Pancho.It was a relatively small mistake, made because of a change in how loan payments were to be invoiced and not picked up by the FD, the same one who sent an incorrect payment to HMRC which everybody seems to be beating the club up about as well.I feel sorry for Richard the FD, he was a decent bloke but the job seemed to become too much for him. He's moved on now, away from football too I understand.I doubt very much if we will ever have anything similar happening whilst TB is Chair, if anything he'll pay everything in advance!Let’s blame Richard for issues with payments. Let’s blame Jones for bad positioning from free kicks. Let’s blame Coppinger for a poor crop of signings. Let’s blame whoever for the issue with Goldman’s loan. Let’s blame Grant for producing a horrible football team. Let’s blame the physio for so many injuries. At what point do we start looking at the people at the top? Is it possible that the hierarchy (however well intentioned and capable) have just gone past their sell by date? It’s quite possible to run out of ideas and become stale, whatever industry you are in. I’ll ignore your first six paragraphs as they’re typically just you playing ‘clever dick’ (smart ar*e was my first option)…yet again.When you say ‘the hierarchy’ I assume you’re referring specifically to our Chairman Terry Bramall?I won’t purloin Pancho Regan’s excellent posts by quoting from them except to say that what he has to say regarding Terry & Gavin I personally totally endorse…end of.A mistake has been made in making payments to Brighton for a player, in hindsight, wasn’t worth the bother. So you & a few others (the usual culprits in the main), have decided to use this as the ‘cudgel to beat the club with (wholesale)’ you & these others have decided this is ‘the final straw’So, we have a man in his eighties who has basically sacked his Chairman & as he himself stated at the MTO’s event, has taken ‘full control’ of the club. He has the reins. He stated at the MTO that he didn’t feel this was the right time to bring others into the club to ‘share’ the financial burdens because he believes that would simply ‘muddy the waters’ in respect of who then is responsible for the team budget, catering, the up keep of the stadium (which is currently £350,000 per annum before a ball has been kicked) he explained this stance in answer to a question asked of him that evening.So, the ‘people at the top’, the hierarchy, which in essence boils down to the clubs owner given all decisions go through him, so Terry Bramall, (or the hierarchy as you call him, if not him then to whom are you referring?), this Doncaster man who has made his fortune in the area & lives in the area & who feels “Because of these factors I want to give something back to the people of Doncaster through their football club” has, to quote you “..gone past their (his) sell by date…run out of ideas and become stale…”.Tell me this, if he were to stand up tomorrow after the Sutton game whatever the result (a game I personally think we will win for what it’s worth) & say he is stepping away from the club with immediate effect because he feels he has ‘outgrown his usefulness & realises the club needs fresh blood’ would that make you (& a few other like minded souls who have now apparently ‘had enough’), but you in particular because it’s your post I just happen to have picked up on, happy?AND if that scenario were to happen or worse still some illness forced his decision, who do you foresee would then take up the reins & move the club forward?I’m intrigued, in fact the suspense is killing me.