General Election

[ChrisBx]

Jesus wept, Farage has gone and made himself party leader!

[mugnapper]

Jesus wept, Farage has gone and made himself party leader!

What have the good people of Clacton done to deserve him as a candidate??

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Labour and Tories not the solution - Farage

He is probably right IMO, but Reform are definitely not the answer!

Farage is entertaining that's for sure.  But so is Steve Evans and I wouldn't want him in power either.

[albie]

BST,

I have explained it clearly, but you seem to want to recycle utter drivel to confuse the issue.
You have to wonder why you would do so!

There is no question that Labour are arbitrarily removing candidacy rights from individuals, Shaheen, Russell Moyle and the Abbott U-Turns fiasco illustrate the point.
The decision to remove was made long after Shaheen was democratically reselected by the local Party as their candidate, but when it was too late for a replacement to be democratically selected.

Nothing more to be said, until it is decided whether to issue a legal challenge.

So, to summarise;

1)
There is no valid reason to deny Shaheen the right to stand (that we know about).
2)
Ex Tories like Wakeford and Elphicke, and ex LibDem candidates like Berger, are allowed to join Labour.
All have campaigned against Labour in the past.
3)
The NEC can impose candidates on local Labour groups, despite the opposition of those local parties to the selection.
Candidates can be removed at the final hour, even if they have followed due process.
4)
Resources can be denied to candidates whose face doesn't fit with Labour HQ.
5)
Tactics of humiliation can be used to dissuade candidates not in the Starmer faction to withdraw (constructive dismissal).
6)
Supporters of Zionism, those found guilty of sexual misdemeanors and those with a racist history are welcome in Labour.

[scawsby steve]

Unfortunately, BST a good few posters on here - and I include myself in this - may not be around to witness it.

You won't be missing anything. This country is just getting worse, and there's no political party that's able to do anything about it.

You'll realise that in the next 12 months.

[drfchound]

Unfortunately, BST a good few posters on here - and I include myself in this - may not be around to witness it.

You won't be missing anything. This country is just getting worse, and there's no political party that's able to do anything about it.

You'll realise that in the next 12 months.

That sounds like my vote won’t make a pennorth of difference then mate.
I was hoping to witness a significant shift for the better.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BST,

I have explained it clearly, but you seem to want to recycle utter drivel to confuse the issue.
You have to wonder why you would do so!

There is no question that Labour are arbitrarily removing candidacy rights from individuals, Shaheen, Russell Moyle and the Abbott U-Turns fiasco illustrate the point.
The decision to remove was made long after Shaheen was democratically reselected by the local Party as their candidate, but when it was too late for a replacement to be democratically selected.

Nothing more to be said, until it is decided whether to issue a legal challenge.

So, to summarise;

1)
There is no valid reason to deny Shaheen the right to stand (that we know about).
2)
Ex Tories like Wakeford and Elphicke, and ex LibDem candidates like Berger, are allowed to join Labour.
All have campaigned against Labour in the past.
3)
The NEC can impose candidates on local Labour groups, despite the opposition of those local parties to the selection.
Candidates can be removed at the final hour, even if they have followed due process.
4)
Resources can be denied to candidates whose face doesn't fit with Labour HQ.
5)
Tactics of humiliation can be used to dissuade candidates not in the Starmer faction to withdraw (constructive dismissal).
6)
Supporters of Zionism, those found guilty of sexual misdemeanors and those with a racist history are welcome in Labour.

What on earth are you going on about?

Not one of your points has ANYTHING to do with the quote by Oborne that you posted. Once again, that is the one and only point I've been engaging on. I really don't get this insistence of yours of berating me repeatedly over something entirely unrelated to the point I was making.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Jesus wept, Farage has gone and made himself party leader!

Anybody got a stopwatch running on how long before BB goes off on one about politicians saying one thing and doing the opposite?

[Bentley Bullet]

Good old Nige, straight as a die.

[ncRover]

Jesus wept, Farage has gone and made himself party leader!

What have the good people of Clacton done to deserve him as a candidate??

They’ll want him.

From Britain Elects on X:

How Clacton would vote in an election held today, according to Britain Predicts:

CON: 32% (-40)
REF: 24% (+24)
LAB: 24% (+8)

[ravenrover]

Billy and Albie please continue your argument of grid and directly between the pair of you it is just getting absolutely boring

[wilts rover]

Jesus wept, Farage has gone and made himself party leader!

Got 100% of the vote I understand.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Billy and Albie please continue your argument of grid and directly between the pair of you it is just getting absolutely boring

Apologies for that. I'm genuinely bewildered at what the disagreement is about, and I do take it too personally when entirely unfair accusations get chucked my way.

I've made my point and am happy to draw a line.

[Bentley Bullet]

Billy and Albie please continue your argument of grid and directly between the pair of you it is just getting absolutely boring

Yeah, same two all the time.

FFS get a room.

[SydneyRover]

Can def rule out bb being Diane Abbott then

''Diane Abbott will be reselected to fight her seat at a meeting of the Labour party’s executive on Tuesday despite having suggested on social media that Keir Starmer was a liar, the Guardian understands''

She deleted the tweet.

[drfchound]

Should have taken a screenshot of it then.

[wilts rover]

In case you thought it couldn't get any worse/funnier -

The Tories released their first Offical Election TV Broadcast today - included in which is a shot of a Union Jack being flown upside down (a signal of distress)!

https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1797711070863466889

[BillyStubbsTears]

And so the Tories are shitting themselves about Farage and committing to move even further to the batshit Right.

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1797692913302012245

Like somebody has said tonight, the problem with this approach is that the batshit Right voters will probably prefer the real thing rather than the tribute band.

[Bentley Bullet]

Never been that keen on the Real Thing. You to me are everything I need to be swayed to the right.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Strange thing about this campaign.

I haven't heard a single senior Tory highlight the fact that they got Brexit done.

Almost as if...

[normal rules]

Reform have a 6 year plan. Many People are rightly sick of a Tory govt . But by god they will be destitute after this coming labour shit show.con socialists the lot of em.
No one considered Brexit would actually happen. No one considers a govt run by anyone other than labour or Tory. We are in an era where anything can happen.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Reform have a 6 year plan. Many People are rightly sick of a Tory govt . But by god they will be destitute after this coming labour shit show.con socialists the lot of em.
No one considered Brexit would actually happen. No one considers a govt run by anyone other than labour or Tory. We are in an era where anything can happen.

Which of Labours policies do you think will make us destitute?

[Mike_F]

Another day, another example of the Tories tearing themselves apart with their ruinous culture war bullshit:

[SydneyRover]

Reform have a 6 year plan. Many People are rightly sick of a Tory govt . But by god they will be destitute after this coming labour shit show.con socialists the lot of em.
No one considered Brexit would actually happen. No one considers a govt run by anyone other than labour or Tory. We are in an era where anything can happen.

What have you done about it nr? 14+ years of deep shit. Government has arguably the most influence over people's lives and yet ............

[Herbert Anchovy]

Farage standing is bad news for the Tories. I don’t profess to knowing much about politics but my guess is that he doesn’t really care about this election. What he wants is to crush the Tories to the extent that they come to him to be their leader and the Tory party would then become unrecognisable to what we know.

I’ve never voted Tory in my life, but if they moved to the centre ground and were led by someone such as Rory Stewart I’d always consider it. Right now though that seems light years away.

Quite chilling really.

[Filo]

Reform have a 6 year plan. Many People are rightly sick of a Tory govt . But by god they will be destitute after this coming labour shit show.con socialists the lot of em.
No one considered Brexit would actually happen. No one considers a govt run by anyone other than labour or Tory. We are in an era where anything can happen.

It’s a shame your fortune telling didn’t warn us of the past 14 years of a shit show

[BillyStubbsTears]

Reform have a 6 year plan. Many People are rightly sick of a Tory govt . But by god they will be destitute after this coming labour shit show.con socialists the lot of em.
No one considered Brexit would actually happen. No one considers a govt run by anyone other than labour or Tory. We are in an era where anything can happen.

Let me get this straight.

You're putting up the fact that Brexit happened as a good reason to support the Farragists?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just a thought when people say that Labour are just Red Tories.

https://x.com/labour_history/status/906441586183094279

[danumdon]

Just a thought when people say that Labour are just Red Tories.

https://x.com/labour_history/status/906441586183094279

Devolution, their version of it really served us well!

I wonder if he ever gave a thought to going into selling double glazing.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just a thought when people say that Labour are just Red Tories.

https://x.com/labour_history/status/906441586183094279

Devolution, their version of it really served us well!

I wonder if he ever gave a thought to going into selling double glazing.

Go on. What disservice did it do to you.

Oh, and by the way. Every one of those achievements of the last Labour Government were things they committed to do in manifestos.

What exactly DO you want from politicians?