General Election

[albie]

You have had clear answers to your nonsense posts.
I have no difficulty in staying on point, thanks.

Pretending that you have a valid point, when you have no evidence to support your view, is the action of a bad faith poster.

If you want to look further into the issue, consider the views of Carne Ross on the matter;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/diplomat-s-suppressed-document-lays-bare-the-lies-behind-iraq-war-428545.html

No point in pursuing this and taking the topic sideways.
You are incorrect, and know that you are.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Only just dawned on me what Sunak said last night.

1) Labour has no plans
2) Labour's plans will add £2k to your taxes.

How thick does he think voters are?

[i_ateallthepies]

In truth pies, most people who vote don’t get the candidate they wanted, unless it is a landslide victory of course.

Hound, you know what you are doing here.  Of course it is true that the FPTP system results in a government from the minority but the point being discussed is an MP seeking to gain votes by deception.  You know that but instead of engaging with that issue try to divert the discussion.  You do this all the time.

[River Don]

In the end does Reform have enough support to win any seats at all?

I can't see it,  even in a place like Clacton as many people are repulsed by Farage as are attracted to him.

I think Reform are just too extreme for the mainstream.

[ravenrover]

Just a slight deviation, but as we are out of the country on Ekection day we have applied for a postal vote. If anyone has had one how far in advance of the election do they arrive as we leave weekend after this.

[idler]

We always have a postal vote and I think that it comes about two weeks before so you should just make it.

[drfchound]

In truth pies, most people who vote don’t get the candidate they wanted, unless it is a landslide victory of course.

Hound, you know what you are doing here.  Of course it is true that the FPTP system results in a government from the minority but the point being discussed is an MP seeking to gain votes by deception.  You know that but instead of engaging with that issue try to divert the discussion.  You do this all the time.

I say what I think pies, and get stick from certain posters because I don’t agree with the majority on here.
In this case I was simply pointing out the obvious, that the winners of elections don’t always get the majority of the votes.
I don’t see what is wrong with mentioning that.
There are far more skilled posters on here who regularly deflect the main discussion of a thread.

[i_ateallthepies]

Ok, you say what you think, fair enough.  So you think nothing of a politician using deception in an attempt to trick people into casting their vote his way, I wonder what you'd have to say had it been a Labour member doing that.

[Bentley Bullet]

Ok, you say what you think, fair enough.  So you think nothing of a politician using deception in an attempt to trick people into casting their vote his way, I wonder what you'd have to say had it been a Labour member doing that.

So, you don't think Keir Starmer has done that?

[rtid88]

Well Sunak has well and truly blown it now.....surely no comeback from that. All to just carry on his lies for a programme that won't be broadcasted until next week.

[i_ateallthepies]

Ok, you say what you think, fair enough.  So you think nothing of a politician using deception in an attempt to trick people into casting their vote his way, I wonder what you'd have to say had it been a Labour member doing that.

So, you don't think Keir Starmer has done that?

Can't have done, Hound hasn't commented on it.

[ChrisBx]

Well Sunak has well and truly blown it now.....surely no comeback from that. All to just carry on his lies for a programme that won't be broadcasted until next week.

Just think of the number of advisors he must have only for none of them to suggest this may have been a terrible idea.

[Bentley Bullet]

Only just dawned on me what Sunak said last night.

1) Labour has no plans
2) Labour's plans will add £2k to your taxes.

How thick does he think voters are?

I think he meant "supportable" plans.

[rtid88]

Well Sunak has well and truly blown it now.....surely no comeback from that. All to just carry on his lies for a programme that won't be broadcasted until next week.

Just think of the number of advisors he must have only for none of them to suggest this may have been a terrible idea.

He shouldn't need an adviser to know that this was just plainly a ridiculous and disrespectful thing to do.
The man just doesn't care and hasn't got an ounce of compassion in him. Selfish, arrogant and an out and out liar.

No Tory can ignore this or accept this as being acceptable behaviour for a PM.

[i_ateallthepies]

They liked it when Johnson was doing it.

[rtid88]

They liked it when Johnson was doing it.

I'm referring to him leaving the DDay Events in Normandy early to do a TV programme not the lying.

[Bentley Bullet]

This Labour Party is a party of protest, not a party of government.

It can only lift itself up by bringing opponent parties down.

There will be nothing to hide behind when this Labour Party is in power.

[rtid88]

This Labour Party is a party of protest, not a party of government.

It can only lift itself up by bringing opponent parties down.

There will be nothing to hide behind when this Labour Party is in power.

From a bloke who supports a party who's strap line this week is to try to bring a party down by lying. Yeah makes sense.

[Filo]

This Labour Party is a party of protest, not a party of government.

It can only lift itself up by bringing opponent parties down.

There will be nothing to hide behind when this Labour Party is in power.

Your thoughts or comments on Sunak leaving the D-Day event early?

[drfchound]

Ok, you say what you think, fair enough.  So you think nothing of a politician using deception in an attempt to trick people into casting their vote his way, I wonder what you'd have to say had it been a Labour member doing that.

I have already said what I think.
Politicians use any methods they can get away with to gain an advantage.
If it had been a Labour member I would have said the same.
Total indifference from me because that is what they all do.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Interesting to see the Tory policy on child benefit - odd it's took them 14 years to figure out their policy is flawed.  They seem oblivious to their own failings.

https://news.sky.com/story/tories-promise-tax-cut-for-parents-to-boost-families-financial-security-13149041

It's a crazy policy where single income families end up worse off than double income families so a very clear change.  I'm surprised the other parties aren't proposing similar whilst continuing to criticise how it was set up in the first place.

[Bentley Bullet]

This Labour Party is a party of protest, not a party of government.

It can only lift itself up by bringing opponent parties down.

There will be nothing to hide behind when this Labour Party is in power.

Your thoughts or comments on Sunak leaving the D-Day event early?

He should admit it was a mistake and apologise for not staying in France longer.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

This Labour Party is a party of protest, not a party of government.

It can only lift itself up by bringing opponent parties down.

There will be nothing to hide behind when this Labour Party is in power.

Your thoughts or comments on Sunak leaving the D-Day event early?

He should admit it was a mistake and apologise for not staying in France longer.

The prime minister shouldn't be making that mistake, clueless.

[Filo]

This Labour Party is a party of protest, not a party of government.

It can only lift itself up by bringing opponent parties down.

There will be nothing to hide behind when this Labour Party is in power.

Your thoughts or comments on Sunak leaving the D-Day event early?

He should admit it was a mistake and apologise for not staying in France longer.

Nice deflection, I’m asking your opinion, was he right or was he wrong.

And by the way it wasn’t a mistake, the TV interview time was offered to ITV before the event, in my opinion it was downright arrogance

[BillyStubbsTears]

This D-Day thing is the end for Sunak.

You simply cannot, cannot do that as PM.

What in God's name was he thinking? Coming back home early to be interviewed by ITV about his lying in the debate.

Really wouldn't surprise me now if the Tories end up getting less than 20% of the vote.

I always thought he'd be a car crash in a campaign, but I'm  genuinely astonished he's this bad at it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Story coming out now is that last week, Sunak told the French Govt he wasn't going at all because he was too busy campaigning.

Beyond words.

[Bentley Bullet]

This Labour Party is a party of protest, not a party of government.

It can only lift itself up by bringing opponent parties down.

There will be nothing to hide behind when this Labour Party is in power.

Your thoughts or comments on Sunak leaving the D-Day event early?

He should admit it was a mistake and apologise for not staying in France longer.

Nice deflection, I’m asking your opinion, was he right or was he wrong.

And by the way it wasn’t a mistake, the TV interview time was offered to ITV before the event, in my opinion it was downright arrogance

I said he should admit it was a mistake and apologise for not staying in France longer. That means I think it was a mistake he didn't stay in France longer, and should apologise.

[ravenrover]

Would that be after the Tory machine tweeted that it was a mistake he should have stayed longer in France and he's now sorry?
Nice snub to the other nations who took part in D Day, ammo for Farage and photo opp for Starmer.
Did we see the next leader of the Tory party posing with the other world leaders?

[Bentley Bullet]

Story coming out now is that last week, Sunak told the French Govt he wasn't going at all because he was too busy campaigning.

Beyond words.

Every time you deflect from the inadequacies of your own beloved Labour Party by spending all your time condemning rival parties instead support my claim that this Labour Party is a party of protest and not a party of government. The Labour Party AND ITS SUPPORTERS can only lift itself up by bringing opponent parties down.

There will be nothing to hide behind when this Labour Party is in power.

[Ldr]

Story coming out now is that last week, Sunak told the French Govt he wasn't going at all because he was too busy campaigning.

Beyond words.

Every time you deflect from the inadequacies of your own beloved Labour Party by spending all your time condemning rival parties instead support my claim that this Labour Party is a party of protest and not a party of government. The Labour Party AND ITS SUPPORTERS can only lift itself up by bringing opponent parties down.

There will be nothing to hide behind when this Labour Party is in power.

Billy’s resigned from the party though?