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Quote from: normal rules on June 04, 2024, 09:03:59 amReform have a 6 year plan. Many People are rightly sick of a Tory govt . But by god they will be destitute after this coming labour shit show.con socialists the lot of em.No one considered Brexit would actually happen. No one considers a govt run by anyone other than labour or Tory. We are in an era where anything can happen. Let me get this straight.You're putting up the fact that Brexit happened as a good reason to support the Farragists?
Reform have a 6 year plan. Many People are rightly sick of a Tory govt . But by god they will be destitute after this coming labour shit show.con socialists the lot of em.No one considered Brexit would actually happen. No one considers a govt run by anyone other than labour or Tory. We are in an era where anything can happen.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2024, 10:00:25 amQuote from: normal rules on June 04, 2024, 09:03:59 amReform have a 6 year plan. Many People are rightly sick of a Tory govt . But by god they will be destitute after this coming labour shit show.con socialists the lot of em.No one considered Brexit would actually happen. No one considers a govt run by anyone other than labour or Tory. We are in an era where anything can happen. Let me get this straight.You're putting up the fact that Brexit happened as a good reason to support the Farragists?No. What I am saying is the huge predicted swing to the left will have consequences come 5/6 years time. I think even you yourself predicted similar. You only have to look at the geo politics in certain eu countries to see what’s happening . Populist movements are on the rise . Brexit was an outcome of such . It’s happened once . It’s possible it will happen again. But it won’t be around a referendum . It will be at a forthcoming GE.
In five or six years time wilts, people who are 60 now will be overs 65s then.Why will there be less of them?
Quote from: normal rules on June 04, 2024, 12:01:49 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2024, 10:00:25 amQuote from: normal rules on June 04, 2024, 09:03:59 amReform have a 6 year plan. Many People are rightly sick of a Tory govt . But by god they will be destitute after this coming labour shit show.con socialists the lot of em.No one considered Brexit would actually happen. No one considers a govt run by anyone other than labour or Tory. We are in an era where anything can happen. Let me get this straight.You're putting up the fact that Brexit happened as a good reason to support the Farragists?No. What I am saying is the huge predicted swing to the left will have consequences come 5/6 years time. I think even you yourself predicted similar. You only have to look at the geo politics in certain eu countries to see what’s happening . Populist movements are on the rise . Brexit was an outcome of such . It’s happened once . It’s possible it will happen again. But it won’t be around a referendum . It will be at a forthcoming GE. Populist movements are on the rise - hence why there is a big swing to the left in the UK. Are you just writing words down from some random thought cloud? Populist movements are on the rise - but unless they are totalitarian governments like Putin's Russia or Orban's Hungary who clamp down on opposition and dissent - in the countries where they have held power, like the UK there is a backlash against their failed 'promises'. Right-wing economics policies of greed and austerity have done exactly what they were intended to do, give immense wealth to a very small few and a worse standard of living for the majority.That's why all opinion polls show that it's only the over 65's where populist ideas are even remotely 'popular'. And in 5/6 years time there will be less of that age group to vote for them.
Quote from: danumdon on June 04, 2024, 11:14:35 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2024, 11:01:33 amJust a thought when people say that Labour are just Red Tories.https://x.com/labour_history/status/906441586183094279Devolution, their version of it really served us well!I wonder if he ever gave a thought to going into selling double glazing.Go on. What disservice did it do to you.Oh, and by the way. Every one of those achievements of the last Labour Government were things they committed to do in manifestos.What exactly DO you want from politicians?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2024, 11:01:33 amJust a thought when people say that Labour are just Red Tories.https://x.com/labour_history/status/906441586183094279Devolution, their version of it really served us well!I wonder if he ever gave a thought to going into selling double glazing.
Just a thought when people say that Labour are just Red Tories.https://x.com/labour_history/status/906441586183094279
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2024, 11:45:33 amQuote from: danumdon on June 04, 2024, 11:14:35 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2024, 11:01:33 amJust a thought when people say that Labour are just Red Tories.https://x.com/labour_history/status/906441586183094279Devolution, their version of it really served us well!I wonder if he ever gave a thought to going into selling double glazing.Go on. What disservice did it do to you.Oh, and by the way. Every one of those achievements of the last Labour Government were things they committed to do in manifestos.What exactly DO you want from politicians?It didn't do anything directly to me as i don't live in a devolved territory bar requiring me to pay more tax to offset their largess. For those that do live there its caused no end of issues, just ask any Scotts, Welsh or Irishman.The the country overall it has caused resentment, duplication and a great deal of wasted money.To do devolution properly it should of been a case of mostly home rule for the devolved areas, that means all collected tax and revenue from the devolved states should of been handed over in full with all areas of state devolved except for defence and security. No formulas and additional funds allocated, if you have a devolved government you stand on your own two feet with no handouts from central government to soften the blow.Instead we have a miss mash of devolved areas that don't suit anyone with all sides complaining about how the finances have been divided and distributed, resulting in taxpayers money being unfairly allocated. Failed health and education outcomes are constantly thrown back as being the fault of the UK government when its down to devolved SNP and Labour who have royally messed up.Was it in there manifesto to undersell taxpayer owned gold and to totally mess up a great swathe of peoples workplace pensions?What exactly i'd like from politicians is to think of my taxes as if they belonged to themselves, and spend them wisely and appropriately. We haven't had this for a long time and we now have the prospect of this continuing furthermore.
I read recently (might be on here) that lots of people change their voting habits as they get older.Who is to say that won’t continue to happen.
I'm not wealthy, but I'm better off than I've ever been. It's not just an age thing either. My two lads have got more in terms of wealth and possessions than I ever had at their age, in fact, I dare say they have got more wealth and possesions than me now!My next-door neighbours have a new car and a mortgage that I could never have afforded at their age. My brothers kids, both my sisters kids, all have bigger and better houses and cars than me, and my brother and sister for that matter.I can't think of any of my mates who are not better off than they have ever been. Come to think of it, their kids are better off than they've ever been also, if what they tell me is true. "immense wealth to a very small few and a worse standard of living for the majority."b*llocks
Quote from: drfchound on June 04, 2024, 12:52:28 pmI read recently (might be on here) that lots of people change their voting habits as they get older.Who is to say that won’t continue to happen.That might have been me Hound. I was listening to a programme on the radio about how voting habits change, in general terms. There was one bloke on there who said that he'd voted Labour for all of his working life but now that he'd retired he 'didn't need them anymore' so had voted Conservative in 2017 as Labour's spending on public services didn't benefit him now (or words to that affect).
I'm not wealthy, but I'm better off than I've ever been. It's not just an age thing either. My two lads have got more in terms of wealth and possessions than I ever had at their age, in fact, I dare say they have got more wealth and possesions than me now!My next-door neighbours have a new car and a mortgage that I could never have afforded at their age. My brothers kids, both my sisters kids, all have bigger and better houses and cars than me, and my brother and sister for that matter.I can't think of any of my mates who are not better off than they have ever been. Come to think of it, their kids are better off than they've ever been also, if what they tell me is true. "immense wealth to a very small few and a worse standard of living for the majority."b*llocks
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on June 04, 2024, 03:08:25 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 04, 2024, 12:52:28 pmI read recently (might be on here) that lots of people change their voting habits as they get older.Who is to say that won’t continue to happen.That might have been me Hound. I was listening to a programme on the radio about how voting habits change, in general terms. There was one bloke on there who said that he'd voted Labour for all of his working life but now that he'd retired he 'didn't need them anymore' so had voted Conservative in 2017 as Labour's spending on public services didn't benefit him now (or words to that affect). There's a well established trend in many countries that voters have tended to move rightwards as they get older. But the point is that the Tory party has never in the history of polling been this unpopular with under-50s. If the "normal" rightward shift happens, that will not come remotely close to filling the gap left as 65+ Tory voters age and die.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 04, 2024, 12:54:05 pmI'm not wealthy, but I'm better off than I've ever been. It's not just an age thing either. My two lads have got more in terms of wealth and possessions than I ever had at their age, in fact, I dare say they have got more wealth and possesions than me now!My next-door neighbours have a new car and a mortgage that I could never have afforded at their age. My brothers kids, both my sisters kids, all have bigger and better houses and cars than me, and my brother and sister for that matter.I can't think of any of my mates who are not better off than they have ever been. Come to think of it, their kids are better off than they've ever been also, if what they tell me is true. "immense wealth to a very small few and a worse standard of living for the majority."b*llocks'Everyone's better off than you' hmmm answers a few questions ............
Quote from: danumdon on June 04, 2024, 12:59:16 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2024, 11:45:33 amQuote from: danumdon on June 04, 2024, 11:14:35 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2024, 11:01:33 amJust a thought when people say that Labour are just Red Tories.https://x.com/labour_history/status/906441586183094279Devolution, their version of it really served us well!I wonder if he ever gave a thought to going into selling double glazing.Go on. What disservice did it do to you.Oh, and by the way. Every one of those achievements of the last Labour Government were things they committed to do in manifestos.What exactly DO you want from politicians?It didn't do anything directly to me as i don't live in a devolved territory bar requiring me to pay more tax to offset their largess. For those that do live there its caused no end of issues, just ask any Scotts, Welsh or Irishman.The the country overall it has caused resentment, duplication and a great deal of wasted money.To do devolution properly it should of been a case of mostly home rule for the devolved areas, that means all collected tax and revenue from the devolved states should of been handed over in full with all areas of state devolved except for defence and security. No formulas and additional funds allocated, if you have a devolved government you stand on your own two feet with no handouts from central government to soften the blow.Instead we have a miss mash of devolved areas that don't suit anyone with all sides complaining about how the finances have been divided and distributed, resulting in taxpayers money being unfairly allocated. Failed health and education outcomes are constantly thrown back as being the fault of the UK government when its down to devolved SNP and Labour who have royally messed up.Was it in there manifesto to undersell taxpayer owned gold and to totally mess up a great swathe of peoples workplace pensions?What exactly i'd like from politicians is to think of my taxes as if they belonged to themselves, and spend them wisely and appropriately. We haven't had this for a long time and we now have the prospect of this continuing furthermore.Od on.Are you seriously telling me that the Scots don't want a devolved Parliament?And that the Northern Irish don't want a devolved Parliament? You reckon we'd be a better country if NI was ruled from Westminster?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 04, 2024, 12:54:05 pmI'm not wealthy, but I'm better off than I've ever been. It's not just an age thing either. My two lads have got more in terms of wealth and possessions than I ever had at their age, in fact, I dare say they have got more wealth and possesions than me now!My next-door neighbours have a new car and a mortgage that I could never have afforded at their age. My brothers kids, both my sisters kids, all have bigger and better houses and cars than me, and my brother and sister for that matter.I can't think of any of my mates who are not better off than they have ever been. Come to think of it, their kids are better off than they've ever been also, if what they tell me is true. "immense wealth to a very small few and a worse standard of living for the majority."b*llocksI’m mid-30s and have a senior and pretty well paid job as a CFO, whilst my wife is also a chartered accountant and works as a Financial Controller. We live in a 4 bed house in a nice area of Edinburgh, but it’s a house we’re only able to afford at this stage of our life because of help from our parents towards the first properties that we bought. And it’s pretty unlikely we’ll ever live in a house like my wife grew up in, a 7 bed property closer to town. Her parents were teachers, so our combined earnings are far higher than theirs ever were, but they were able to buy at the right time when property was far less expensive relative to salaries.There are a lot of people my age who aren’t homeowners because, even with decent jobs, it’s just not affordable, whilst most folk in their 20s have no chance. I don’t know how old your children and neighbours’ children are but the reality for most people in their 20s & 30s is pretty different to how you describe it. The younger generations are in a much worse position than their parents to get on the property ladder.
I'm not wealthy, but I'm better off than I've ever been. It's not just an age thing either. My two lads have got more in terms of wealth and possessions than I ever had at their age, in fact, I dare say they have got more wealth and possesions than me now!My next-door neighbours have a new car and a mortgage that I could never have afforded at their age. My brothers kids, both my sisters kids, all have bigger and better houses and cars than me, and my brother and sister for that matter.I can't think of any of my mates who are not better off than they have ever been. Come to think of it, their kids are better off than they've ever been also, if what they tell me is true. "immense wealth to a very small few and a worse standard of living for the majority."b*llocks
So what caused that inflation, and what will Starmer do about it?
So why was it his fault when inflation went higher?
I'm quite sure some people feel worse off than previously.The funny thing though is that like everything else in life its about choices and priorities.. Some plead they are struggling to get on the housing ladder because the depot required is something that they could never afford to save for.That's fair enough, but if you have a car on PCP, a new iPhone ever couple of years, big nights out every weekend coupled with Full SKy/Netfix/any other subscriptions then you will always be struggling to get that depot saved.Everyone has a choice and priorities to make, you can't have your cake and eat the bugger as well.