General Election

[ncRover]

I couldn't agree more about the Greens NC.

My point is that neither they nor the LDs will be in a position to have to implement their policies. So they are shaping their policies in a way that attracts as many voters as possible.

I'm not canvassing by the way.

Fair enough!

[danumdon]

I'm quite surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that the deputy leader of the Labour party had "firmly" nailed Labour policy to "never rejoining the EU"

Is this something that will be coming back to biting her, and the party square in the arse during the next administration?

Also find it quite illuminating that some are very dismissive of the LD's and their "not really anything" agenda.

Interesting because if for some reason the GE was tighter than now thought they would be the first party that Starmer would have to start having serious conversations with.

With an extremist like Farage managing to surpass Tory party support who knows where this could end in a couple of weeks?

The landslide may just not materialise as expected.

[albie]

Some odd views on the Green Party offer there, ncRover.

The Greens are in support of rail, and want to see public ownership and improvements across the network.
They were against Hs2, correctly because it diverted resource from more important projects, and because the business case did not meet the criteria set out by the Treasury for transport projects at the time.

Now it has advanced to the current stage, it makes little sense to abandon the work short of the London termini.
The pressing need is for a high quality trans-pennine link, connecting Leeds/Sheffield to Manchester/Liverpool and joining to the East Coast mainline.

You can hear Zack Polanski (Green deputy leader) speak for himself here;
https://youtu.be/_-4ek_ke3fY

Trident is a complete irrelevance, and has no real military significance.
Entirely under the control of the US military, the UK has no real say in the potential deployment.
The money saved by scrapping the obsolete nuclear submarine fleet could be much better spent, both within the defence budget and on wider social objectives.

By all means feel free to disagree, but do first understand what they are saying!

[SydneyRover]

I'm quite surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that the deputy leader of the Labour party had "firmly" nailed Labour policy to "never rejoining the EU"

Is this something that will be coming back to biting her, and the party square in the arse during the next administration?

Also find it quite illuminating that some are very dismissive of the LD's and their "not really anything" agenda.

Interesting because if for some reason the GE was tighter than now thought they would be the first party that Starmer would have to start having serious conversations with.

With an extremist like Farage managing to surpass Tory party support who knows where this could end in a couple of weeks?

The landslide may just not materialise as expected.

It's not a secret dd, it's not politically possible at this point in time.

''Sir Keir Starmer has insisted there is no case for rejoining the European Union, after the government accused him of wanting to reverse Brexit''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66887576

[danumdon]

I'm quite surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that the deputy leader of the Labour party had "firmly" nailed Labour policy to "never rejoining the EU"

Is this something that will be coming back to biting her, and the party square in the arse during the next administration?

Also find it quite illuminating that some are very dismissive of the LD's and their "not really anything" agenda.

Interesting because if for some reason the GE was tighter than now thought they would be the first party that Starmer would have to start having serious conversations with.

With an extremist like Farage managing to surpass Tory party support who knows where this could end in a couple of weeks?

The landslide may just not materialise as expected.

It's not a secret dd, it's not politically possible at this point in time.

''Sir Keir Starmer has insisted there is no case for rejoining the European Union, after the government accused him of wanting to reverse Brexit''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66887576

Syd, we're all aware its not politically possible at this time(or for the foreseeable future)

My point was, the way she answered the question on a program watched by a great many people who are not political animals would in all effect ensure some people would not be voting Labour because of this very issue.

What may or may not happen during the next administration is another thing entirely.

In some marginal seats this could make a difference.

[SydneyRover]

DD, are you aware of the consequences of labour stating that yes they want to rejoin the EU before the election?

[danumdon]

DD, are you aware of the consequences of labour stating that yes they want to rejoin the EU before the election?

No doubt we will see after the election.

The "Tory" media would obviously make a big deal of it, but they will haemorrhage votes either way they play it.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Improving the economy has got to be the priority for Labour. Brexitiers told us that leaving the EU would open up a world of opportunity to us, that’s not happened because the world is becoming much more protectionist (fed by populist bullshitters). We need to at least rejoin the single market. Labour need to be nuanced about this though.

[danumdon]

Improving the economy has got to be the priority for Labour. Brexitiers told us that leaving the EU would open up a world of opportunity to us, that’s not happened because the world is becoming much more protectionist (fed by populist bullshitters). We need to at least rejoin the single market. Labour need to be nuanced about this though.

I'd say that the economy should always be the very first priority for any government.

The trouble many will be having is looking at the Labour manifesto and wondering just where this improvement in the economy is going to come from.

Saying you are going to transform the economy and then ruling out virtually every avenue open to achieving this just doesn't computate.

[SydneyRover]

What avenues that labour has ruled out would you like to see used dd?

[Sprotyrover]

What avenues that labour has ruled out would you like to see used dd?

Why are you bothered ?

[SydneyRover]

What avenues that labour has ruled out would you like to see used dd?

Why are you bothered ?

Why are you bothered about me snotty, I have a partner.

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://x.com/theousherwood/status/1801682668762914837?s=08

Count the different ways in which this is bloody dreadful.

[Sprotyrover]

What avenues that labour has ruled out would you like to see used dd?

Why are you bothered ?

Why are you bothered about me snotty, I have a partner.

That’s great is he a little twit like you as well!

[SydneyRover]

What avenues that labour has ruled out would you like to see used dd?

Why are you bothered ?

Why are you bothered about me snotty, I have a partner.

That’s great is he a little twit like you as well!

snotty all over, playing the men not the ball

[SydneyRover]

https://x.com/theousherwood/status/1801682668762914837?s=08

Count the different ways in which this is bloody dreadful.

The thing is, who is going to hold him to account ........... before the election.

[selby]

  It has started already, the plans Labour have for North Sea Oil and Gas has caused small cap companies to lose up to 19% on share price.
 Meanwhile the use of oil is on line to increase 2% in 2024 and a further 4% in 2025 setting new records for US oil production and at the premium expected price of 100 dollars a barrel, bank of America, Citigroup, and Goldman Sachs, are all pushing this agenda.
  If the middle east countries get more involved in spats and shipping prices also go higher together with our new government  following their high tax make it hard to exploit what we have an abundance of, expect a cold or expensive winter period.
  Or we could try and tap into the hot air they develop with their gobs and we could get a glimpse of the just stop oil future some have got in mind for us, and we are due a hard winter.
  With more coal being burnt world wide and production at its highest ever tonnage world wide P***ing in the wind comes to mind.

[SydneyRover]

Or there could be another truss waiting in the wings or a johnson with some end of the pier entertainment maybe or risky who can't take a trick and all the while the economy is just dragging along the bottom ...........

[drfchound]

Or there could be another truss waiting in the wings or a johnson with some end of the pier entertainment maybe or risky who can't take a trick and all the while the economy is just dragging along the bottom ...........

If Starmer wins but then falls out of favour with his left of Party members he could get the chop then the next Truss could well be in the form
of Rayner, Cooper or Reeves if one of them steps up to be PM.

[selby]

  The labour agenda is now coming under scrutiny as are the personalities of the Labour Party and they are not the shining light some thought they were.
  Plus they are now up against the best orator apart from Gorgeous George on the scene at the moment, and over the next few weeks their policy of saying nothing will not wash or be allowed to by Farage, he will dictate the agenda and talking points from now on as he gets more and more air time and publicity.
  It's going to be fun if nothing else.

[SydneyRover]

Going up against the past 14+ years of government is going to be tough, quivering in their boots I should think.

[SydneyRover]

What avenues that labour has ruled out would you like to see used dd?

Bump for DD.

[ravenrover]

Is it expected that if Labour win that Sunak as a losing leader stands down?

[wilts rover]

I'm quite surprised that no one has mentioned the fact that the deputy leader of the Labour party had "firmly" nailed Labour policy to "never rejoining the EU"

Is this something that will be coming back to biting her, and the party square in the arse during the next administration?

Also find it quite illuminating that some are very dismissive of the LD's and their "not really anything" agenda.

Interesting because if for some reason the GE was tighter than now thought they would be the first party that Starmer would have to start having serious conversations with.

With an extremist like Farage managing to surpass Tory party support who knows where this could end in a couple of weeks?

The landslide may just not materialise as expected.

Absolutely no chance of Britain rejoining the EU in the next Parliament.

[MachoMadness]

Is it expected that if Labour win that Sunak as a losing leader stands down?

Not a chance he stays, I think. The man can't wait to get out of there. I think he'd be on the next flight to California today if he could.

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://x.com/theousherwood/status/1801682668762914837?s=08

Count the different ways in which this is bloody dreadful.

So. This doesn't merit any interest in the media then.

Sunak here, has:
1) Broken the rules on not using a Govt event to electioneer.
2) Lied about Labour's defence plans.
3) Done all that at a conference whose central aim was showing Putin that the West is united against him.

And it doesn't even warrant a "meh".

That where this bunch of f**king spivs and barrow boys have taken us. It's an embarrassment to have them representing us.

[BobG]

Sadly, the enormity of the likely Labour majority is going to cause significant problems to whoever is Leader. Rebels willl feel free to make whatever 'statements' they want without ever endangering rhe government majority. The left wingers will make a lot of noise. Tony Blair had the problem in days gone by. In a different milieu so  did  Mrs T once upon a time.

BobG

[danumdon]

Sadly, the enormity of the likely Labour majority is going to cause significant problems to whoever is Leader. Rebels willl feel free to make whatever 'statements' they want without ever endangering rhe government majority. The left wingers will make a lot of noise. Tony Blair had the problem in days gone by. In a different milieu so  did  Mrs T once upon a time.

BobG

Isn't that what people send MP's to parliament for, you know to politic?

Or are we back on the page where people have to keep shtum because the leader says so?

Is that not what democracy is about, or are we going to get another rendition of your old mantra ?

[SydneyRover]

What avenues that labour has ruled out would you like to see used dd?

Bump for DD.

Come on DD otherwise what you said above is just waffle.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sadly, the enormity of the likely Labour majority is going to cause significant problems to whoever is Leader. Rebels willl feel free to make whatever 'statements' they want without ever endangering rhe government majority. The left wingers will make a lot of noise. Tony Blair had the problem in days gone by. In a different milieu so  did  Mrs T once upon a time.

BobG

In our system it is the exact opposite of this Bob.

When a party has a massive majority, the leader can get through any legislation they want, without having to compromise. If a few MPs rebel, frankly, so what?(1)

The real problems for PMs come when they have little or no majority and they have to bend and twist to accommodate every single rebel. Look at the problems that gave Callaghan, May and Major, widely seen as the three weakest(2) PMs of recent times.

(1) For the record, before the usual suspects pile in, I'm not saying this is a good situation. I'm saying it's what the situation is.

2) "Weakest" not "worst". The last three have an unshakeable hold on that crown.