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By 2010, The NHS was top or close to the top of all the health outcomes per pound spent in the OECD.This lot have f**ked it up grandly, as they did in the 80s and 90s. And then right wingers say, "Oh the NHS model doesn't work."
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 17, 2024, 03:46:08 pmBy 2010, The NHS was top or close to the top of all the health outcomes per pound spent in the OECD.This lot have f**ked it up grandly, as they did in the 80s and 90s. And then right wingers say, "Oh the NHS model doesn't work."Of course if it was solely political party driven you'd expect the NHS in Wales under Labour to be in a better place than England under the Conservatives?
By 2010, The NHS was top or close to the top of all the health outcomes per pound spent in the OECD.This lot have f**ked it up grandly, as they did in the 80s and 90s. And then right wingers say, "Oh the NHS model doesn't work."
Best of luck with that, BST.I have been waiting for an op since 2016. Not urgent, but it would be good to get it sorted.
Quote from: albie on June 17, 2024, 05:18:50 pmBest of luck with that, BST.I have been waiting for an op since 2016. Not urgent, but it would be good to get it sorted.Albie,that is soobviously the fault of the Labour Party
The Guardian now telling us by the the respected Nuffield Trust both the Conservative and Labour manifestos would put the NHS in a worse funding situation than they suffered under the Austerity period of the current government in 2010/11 and 2014/15.“The assessment by the respected Nuffield Trust of the costed NHS policies of both parties, announced in their manifestos last week, says the level of funding increases would leave them struggling to pay existing staff costs, let alone the bill for massive planned increases in doctors, nurses and other staff in the long-term workforce plan agreed last year”.Paul Johnson of the Institute for Fiscal Studies said that for Labour to deliver the change it is promising there would need to be more money on the table. “Labour’s manifesto offers no indication that there is a plan for where the money would come from to finance this,” he said.
The NHS is in a mess right now but the signs are that Labour won’t improve things when they take over.Quote from: drfchound on June 16, 2024, 11:38:41 pmThe Guardian now telling us by the the respected Nuffield Trust both the Conservative and Labour manifestos would put the NHS in a worse funding situation than they suffered under the Austerity period of the current government in 2010/11 and 2014/15.“The assessment by the respected Nuffield Trust of the costed NHS policies of both parties, announced in their manifestos last week, says the level of funding increases would leave them struggling to pay existing staff costs, let alone the bill for massive planned increases in doctors, nurses and other staff in the long-term workforce plan agreed last year”.Paul Johnson of the Institute for Fiscal Studies said that for Labour to deliver the change it is promising there would need to be more money on the table. “Labour’s manifesto offers no indication that there is a plan for where the money would come from to finance this,” he said.My wife is also awaiting a much needed operation so we aren’t expecting too much after 4th July.
Quote from: Iberian Red on June 17, 2024, 06:46:54 pmQuote from: albie on June 17, 2024, 05:18:50 pmBest of luck with that, BST.I have been waiting for an op since 2016. Not urgent, but it would be good to get it sorted.Albie,that is soobviously the fault of the Labour PartyDon't forget global warming
I'm sorry to hear that Albie.My case is more serious, but the system is falling apart. Took 16 months between being referred by my GP and getting to see a consultant. I cannot listen to the crap that some people spout people talk about the system not working. The system worked perfectly well 14 years ago. There's been a political decision not to fund our health service to the level it needs. And this is the result.I disagree with you on outsourcing though.We have an absolute crisis in the number of people who are waiting ridiculous times for treatment. That cannot be fixed overnight by the NHS. It's going to take years to rebuild capacity and we cannot wait years. We have to buy in treatment to get on top of the crisis.
Governments control the money supply, Syd.They can raise as much as they need. They can also issue bonds, or borrow at preferential rates.The issue is making sure that money released into the economy goes into productive capacity, and not into asset bubbles like property.There is an inflation potential, but that is supposed to be managed down by the BoE.Reversing the 2 child benefit cap needs only a very small amount of money, to do a great deal of social support;https://www.ft.com/content/7b0600fe-c78a-4a5d-acf2-feacd5faa49eThere is no economic reason why you would not do this, it is simply a gesture of performative cruelty.Paying for it is simple.Equalise Capital Gains Tax with Income Tax and you have revenue to spare for other investments.This is the type of economic stupidity you get when playing games with the inequality narrative.The manifesto makes little sense when you see "growth" as the only means to address social questions.
First time I have seen the FT painted as the "jilted left"!There is nothing "fiscally responsible" about keeping the 2 child benefit cap.It is simply an unwanted legacy from Tory mismanagement, which should be reversed as an immediate priority.There is no excuse for it, either ethically or in economic terms. So say so!It is just vacuous gibber.
Quote from: albie on June 18, 2024, 05:55:34 pmFirst time I have seen the FT painted as the "jilted left"!There is nothing "fiscally responsible" about keeping the 2 child benefit cap.It is simply an unwanted legacy from Tory mismanagement, which should be reversed as an immediate priority.There is no excuse for it, either ethically or in economic terms. So say so!It is just vacuous gibber.looks like it's the voters you have to convince Albie
First time I have seen the FT painted as the "jilted left"!There is nothing "fiscally responsible" about keeping the 2 child benefit cap.It is simply an unwanted legacy from Tory mismanagement, which should be reversed as an immediate priority.There is no excuse for it, either ethically or in economic terms. So say so!It is just vacuous gibber.