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Hard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.
Quote from: drfchound on June 18, 2024, 07:45:33 pmHard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.Oh dear,deary me.They weren't accusations,they were facts.Unbelievable that people will not accept that.
Quote from: Iberian Red on June 18, 2024, 08:15:54 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 18, 2024, 07:45:33 pmHard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.Oh dear,deary me.They weren't accusations,they were facts.Unbelievable that people will not accept that.For the record, no-one is talking about changing policy.Labour clearly cannot say they are not going to reverse that specific policy, then get elected and reverse it.The point is, they can still have a *strategy* of reducing child poverty by other means.As I keep saying, if Labour don't do that, they aren't a Labour party I recognise.I think they will. Albie (I think) thinks they won't. Let's see.PS. I'm really, really fed up of constantly being misinterpreted like this, but I guess it doesn't matter how many times I explain myself - if some people are determined to read what they want to read into what I say, what can I do?
You still going to vote Labour, Hound?
Snap , all sortedPostal vote all done and dusted, feet up for the next 2 weeks
Quote from: Iberian Red on June 18, 2024, 08:15:54 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 18, 2024, 07:45:33 pmHard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.Oh dear,deary me.They weren't accusations,they were facts.Unbelievable that people will not accept that.So, let’s get this straight then.Are you in favour of Labour saying something in their manifesto then after they win, changing their stance and doing the opposite.In other words, deceiving some of the people who would have voted for them.No bullshit answers about what has gone before, just answer my question.
What the hell is this?https://x.com/conservatives/status/1803364858022281700?s=46
Correct answer BST, glad to see that someone had the minerals to speak up.I look forward to reading your assessment of Starmer and Labour if the situation arises. After all no one on here was slow to very rightly castigate a government that has done likewise in its dealings over the last 14 years including referendum outcome.
Quote from: ncRover on June 19, 2024, 11:54:26 amWhat the hell is this?https://x.com/conservatives/status/1803364858022281700?s=46It’s all they have left2 weeks to go before this poisonous lot are history!
Quote from: Filo on June 19, 2024, 12:05:20 pmQuote from: ncRover on June 19, 2024, 11:54:26 amWhat the hell is this?https://x.com/conservatives/status/1803364858022281700?s=46It’s all they have left2 weeks to go before this poisonous lot are history! Actually I'm quite looking forward to watching the Labour party making a bigger b*llocks of the job than the tories. This will be the medicine the country needs to take to realise that fptp and the liblabcon does not work. At least at the election following this one hopefully we will see a rise of different parties with new ideas.
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on June 18, 2024, 08:38:40 pmYou still going to vote Labour, Hound?Gee, even John Caudwell is voting labour
m You will be calling out when you get your tax bill Billy, they sure have got plans for the likes of you.
Quote from: albie on June 18, 2024, 05:55:34 pmFirst time I have seen the FT painted as the "jilted left"!There is nothing "fiscally responsible" about keeping the 2 child benefit cap.It is simply an unwanted legacy from Tory mismanagement, which should be reversed as an immediate priority.There is no excuse for it, either ethically or in economic terms. So say so!It is just vacuous gibber.Albie.I agree. The problem is that the country doesn't.https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2023/07/11/fa421/1Like it or not, Labour's electoral strategy is to not be diverted into anything where the Tories will have an apparent advantage. I don't like it but I understand it. Win power, THEN make changes.As I say, if after 5 years of a Labour Govt, child poverty is not significantly reduced, I will crawl on my knees and apologise.
First time I have seen the FT painted as the "jilted left"!There is nothing "fiscally responsible" about keeping the 2 child benefit cap.It is simply an unwanted legacy from Tory mismanagement, which should be reversed as an immediate priority.There is no excuse for it, either ethically or in economic terms. So say so!It is just vacuous gibber.
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 18, 2024, 09:57:35 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on June 18, 2024, 08:38:40 pmYou still going to vote Labour, Hound?Gee, even John Caudwell is voting labourYes, and like you it terrified me as well Syd.Here he is talking to Times Radio;https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1803377092945379328/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/NzBYApu7wXY7cnmt.mp4?tag=12This is a bloke who supported Liz Truss, for God's sake!