General Election

[drfchound]

Hard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.

[Iberian Red]

Hard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.

Oh dear,deary me.

They weren't accusations,they were facts.

Unbelievable that  people will not accept that.

[drfchound]

Hard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.

Oh dear,deary me.

They weren't accusations,they were facts.

Unbelievable that  people will not accept that.

So, let’s get this straight then.
Are you in favour of Labour saying something in their manifesto then after they win, changing their stance and doing the opposite.
In other words, deceiving some of the people who would have voted for them.
No bullshit answers about what has gone before, just answer my question.

[SydneyRover]

Hard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.

Oh dear,deary me.

They weren't accusations,they were facts.

Unbelievable that  people will not accept that.

And of course there has been plenty of time to complain about policy or lies ..................

''In April 2015, David Cameron denied any such plans to cut child benefits or tax credits. However, three months later, George Osborne, the then Chancellor, announced that child tax credits would be limited to the first two children only. This was to come into force from the 2017/2018 financial year and apply to children born after that date only.[75] From February 2019 however the policy becomes retrospective. Families making a new benefit claim (or whose circumstances change) will have the 2-child policy applied to them irrespective of when their children were born''

[drfchound]

Do you think it is okay to deceive your voters as well Syd.
Come on, let us all know!
Yes or no will do.

[i_ateallthepies]

You still going to vote Labour, Hound?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.

Oh dear,deary me.

They weren't accusations,they were facts.

Unbelievable that  people will not accept that.

For the record, no-one is talking about changing policy.

Labour clearly cannot say they are not going to reverse that specific policy, then get elected and reverse it.

The point is, they can still have a *strategy* of reducing child poverty by other means.

As I keep saying, if Labour don't do that, they aren't a Labour party I recognise.

I think they will. Albie (I think) thinks they won't.

Let's see.

PS. I'm really, really fed up of constantly being misinterpreted like this, but I guess it doesn't matter how many times I explain myself - if some people are determined to read what they want to read into what I say, what can I do?

[drfchound]

Hard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.

Oh dear,deary me.

They weren't accusations,they were facts.

Unbelievable that  people will not accept that.

For the record, no-one is talking about changing policy.

Labour clearly cannot say they are not going to reverse that specific policy, then get elected and reverse it.

The point is, they can still have a *strategy* of reducing child poverty by other means.

As I keep saying, if Labour don't do that, they aren't a Labour party I recognise.

I think they will. Albie (I think) thinks they won't.

Let's see.

PS. I'm really, really fed up of constantly being misinterpreted like this, but I guess it doesn't matter how many times I explain myself - if some people are determined to read what they want to read into what I say, what can I do?

Billy, perhaps you haven’t said anything about Labour changing policy on child benefit (I didn’t say you had by the way) but you have suggested that it would be acceptable for Labour to change strategy on tax implications if (sorry, when) they win.
Are you still comfortable that it is okay for that to happen and for them to deceive their voters.
Genuine question.

[selby]

  Don't expect a straight answer Hound, just stand by for gobbledegook in a long drawn out answer if any answer that is.

[SydneyRover]

You still going to vote Labour, Hound?

Gee, even John Caudwell is voting labour

[Ldr]

Postal vote all done and dusted, feet up for the next 2 weeks

[turnbull for england]

Snap , all sorted
Postal vote all done and dusted, feet up for the next 2 weeks

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Hope you're on the mend soon bst.

Positive inflation news today, you'd think the Tories would be pleased but I doubt many of them care right now.

[danumdon]

Hard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.

Oh dear,deary me.

They weren't accusations,they were facts.

Unbelievable that  people will not accept that.

So, let’s get this straight then.
Are you in favour of Labour saying something in their manifesto then after they win, changing their stance and doing the opposite.
In other words, deceiving some of the people who would have voted for them.
No bullshit answers about what has gone before, just answer my question.

Very telling that nobody on the left has yet bothered to answer this question from Hound!

Interesting, it raises all sorts of questions about honesty, morality and judgement.

Anyone?

[BillyStubbsTears]

DD

Because it's a question that shouldn't even be asked and says more about the asker than anything else.

No-one should be in favour of that.

[ncRover]

What the hell is this?

https://x.com/conservatives/status/1803364858022281700?s=46

[danumdon]

Correct answer BST, glad to see that someone had the minerals to speak up.

I look forward to reading your assessment of Starmer and Labour if the situation arises. After all no one on here was slow to very rightly castigate a government that has done likewise in its dealings over the last 14 years including referendum outcome.

[Filo]

What the hell is this?

https://x.com/conservatives/status/1803364858022281700?s=46

It’s all they have left

2 weeks to go before this poisonous lot are history!

[BillyStubbsTears]

What the hell is this?

https://x.com/conservatives/status/1803364858022281700?s=46

That's possibly the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in a General Election campaign.

Absolutely f**king appalling.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Correct answer BST, glad to see that someone had the minerals to speak up.

I look forward to reading your assessment of Starmer and Labour if the situation arises. After all no one on here was slow to very rightly castigate a government that has done likewise in its dealings over the last 14 years including referendum outcome.

DD.

If Labour flagrantly do the opposite of any specific policy statement in their manifesto, I'll certainly call it out.

[Axholme Lion]

What the hell is this?

https://x.com/conservatives/status/1803364858022281700?s=46

It’s all they have left

2 weeks to go before this poisonous lot are history!

Actually I'm quite looking forward to watching the Labour party making a bigger b*llocks of the job than the tories. This will be the medicine the country needs to take to realise that fptp and the liblabcon does not work. At least at the election following this one hopefully we will see a rise of different parties with new ideas.

[Smyth]

What the hell is this?

https://x.com/conservatives/status/1803364858022281700?s=46

Shithouses wittering on cobblers about Putin et al favouring an outcome in a British electoral event

[Herbert Anchovy]

What the hell is this?

https://x.com/conservatives/status/1803364858022281700?s=46

It’s all they have left

2 weeks to go before this poisonous lot are history!

Actually I'm quite looking forward to watching the Labour party making a bigger b*llocks of the job than the tories. This will be the medicine the country needs to take to realise that fptp and the liblabcon does not work. At least at the election following this one hopefully we will see a rise of different parties with new ideas.

What are you worried about getting worse under Labour? The use of food banks? Longer NHS waiting times? A stagnant economy? More schools falling apart? Increased homeless?

[selby]

m  You will be calling out when you get your tax bill Billy, they sure have got plans for the likes of you.

[albie]

You still going to vote Labour, Hound?

Gee, even John Caudwell is voting labour

Yes, and like you it terrified me as well Syd.
Here he is talking to Times Radio;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1803377092945379328/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/NzBYApu7wXY7cnmt.mp4?tag=12

This is a bloke who supported Liz Truss, for God's sake!

[albie]

Herbert A,

Here is a quick list of the policies Labour supports;

Keep bedroom tax,
Keep NHS outsourcing,
Keep tuition fees,
Keep 2 child cap,
No wealth tax,
Keep private water,
Keep free schools,
Keep Trident,
Remove cap on bankers bonuses,
Keep oil drilling licences,
Keep House of Lords,
Keep energy companies private,
Keep mail private,

I could add more, but which of these should be in a Labour offer for a GE?

[Herbert Anchovy]

m  You will be calling out when you get your tax bill Billy, they sure have got plans for the likes of you.

Speaking for myself, I'm likely to see an increase in my tax when labour win and I don't mind that at all. I just want a country that works and functions again and if Tax increases are needed for that then I'm fine with it. Right now, I'm paying a load of tax and have no idea where it's going cos bugger all is working.

[Bristol Red Rover]

First time I have seen the FT painted as the "jilted left"!

There is nothing "fiscally responsible" about keeping the 2 child benefit cap.
It is simply an unwanted legacy from Tory mismanagement, which should be reversed as an immediate priority.

There is no excuse for it, either ethically or in economic terms. So say so!
It is just vacuous gibber.

Albie.

I agree.

The problem is that the country doesn't.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2023/07/11/fa421/1

Like it or not, Labour's electoral strategy is to not be diverted into anything where the Tories will have an apparent advantage. I don't like it but I understand it. Win power, THEN make changes.

As I say, if after 5 years of a Labour Govt, child poverty is not significantly reduced, I will crawl on my knees and apologise.

I'm sure it's the very same BST who bangs on about appeasement and Hitler at every opportunity. Strangely, not here.

[SydneyRover]

You still going to vote Labour, Hound?

Gee, even John Caudwell is voting labour

Yes, and like you it terrified me as well Syd.
Here he is talking to Times Radio;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1803377092945379328/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/NzBYApu7wXY7cnmt.mp4?tag=12

This is a bloke who supported Liz Truss, for God's sake!

the thing is, as always you take the worst possible outcome, because the tory party have sucked it up and sold out to others you without any evidence think the same of labour.

[Ldr]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgeekd4nzvkt?page=2

Don’t often find myself agreeing with the SNP but Swinney is along the right lines here “ Decisions about Scotland should be made by people who live there” same for the whole of the UK really