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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgeekd4nzvkt?page=2Don’t often find myself agreeing with the SNP but Swinney is along the right lines here “ Decisions about Scotland should be made by people who live there” same for the whole of the UK really
There is no good outcome with this muppet, Syd.The fella is a billionaire who backed changing the law to make it easier to hire and fire workers, and wanted to slash the minimum wage for young workers.https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/phones4u-billionaire-says-hell-leave-14580334He is opposed to traditional Labour values in every respect.Here is an explainer on the manifesto issue from someone who was responsible for one;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T28aFimDfBwLabour is now to the right of Reform on the 2 child benefit cap.Farage wants to abolish it, but Keith wants to keep it.
You still going to vote Labour, Hound?
Quote from: drfchound on June 18, 2024, 08:22:32 pmQuote from: Iberian Red on June 18, 2024, 08:15:54 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 18, 2024, 07:45:33 pmHard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.Oh dear,deary me.They weren't accusations,they were facts.Unbelievable that people will not accept that.So, let’s get this straight then.Are you in favour of Labour saying something in their manifesto then after they win, changing their stance and doing the opposite.In other words, deceiving some of the people who would have voted for them.No bullshit answers about what has gone before, just answer my question.Very telling that nobody on the left has yet bothered to answer this question from Hound!Interesting, it raises all sorts of questions about honesty, morality and judgement.Anyone?
Quote from: Iberian Red on June 18, 2024, 08:15:54 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 18, 2024, 07:45:33 pmHard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.Oh dear,deary me.They weren't accusations,they were facts.Unbelievable that people will not accept that.So, let’s get this straight then.Are you in favour of Labour saying something in their manifesto then after they win, changing their stance and doing the opposite.In other words, deceiving some of the people who would have voted for them.No bullshit answers about what has gone before, just answer my question.
Quote from: drfchound on June 18, 2024, 07:45:33 pmHard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.Oh dear,deary me.They weren't accusations,they were facts.Unbelievable that people will not accept that.
Hard to believe that after years of accusing the Tory’s of lying it is somehow okay now for Labour to lie to get power and change policy when they win.
Quote from: danumdon on June 19, 2024, 11:56:21 amCorrect answer BST, glad to see that someone had the minerals to speak up.I look forward to reading your assessment of Starmer and Labour if the situation arises. After all no one on here was slow to very rightly castigate a government that has done likewise in its dealings over the last 14 years including referendum outcome.DD.If Labour flagrantly do the opposite of any specific policy statement in their manifesto, I'll certainly call it out.
Correct answer BST, glad to see that someone had the minerals to speak up.I look forward to reading your assessment of Starmer and Labour if the situation arises. After all no one on here was slow to very rightly castigate a government that has done likewise in its dealings over the last 14 years including referendum outcome.
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on June 18, 2024, 08:38:40 pmYou still going to vote Labour, Hound?Hound?
So what's this about Labour's economic plans being no different than the Tories'?Not according to 16 highly qualified and very eminent economists. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/19/labour-plan-end-economic-stagnation-uk-economistsWho you going to believe on the economics?Owen Jones or three Nobel Prize winners?
Quote from: albie on June 19, 2024, 05:28:00 pmThere is no good outcome with this muppet, Syd.The fella is a billionaire who backed changing the law to make it easier to hire and fire workers, and wanted to slash the minimum wage for young workers.https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/phones4u-billionaire-says-hell-leave-14580334He is opposed to traditional Labour values in every respect.Here is an explainer on the manifesto issue from someone who was responsible for one;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T28aFimDfBwLabour is now to the right of Reform on the 2 child benefit cap.Farage wants to abolish it, but Keith wants to keep it.Reform wants to abolish benefits full stop
campaign director Tony Lee, 2 weeks out from election taking leave of absence .........
This has to be the most insane election campaign ever by the Tories. I remember going out and actively supporting Labour in 1983 and I though that was bad, but this is just a different level!Maybe though, there's a method to the Tories madness? The 1974 general election has been called the election that nobody really wanted to win, as the country was in such a god awful mess that neither Heath nor Wilson were confident that they could fix it. Maybe the Tories feel the same now?
will you be coming back to the land of milk and honey Syd when your dreams come true?
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on June 19, 2024, 06:55:19 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on June 18, 2024, 08:38:40 pmYou still going to vote Labour, Hound?Hound?Any news yet?bump
Becoming less likely ill vote tory by the day. Absolutely no way I'll vote Labour in a million years, but Reform however look very appealing. I think Redorm will be the big winners in this election, and I'm looking forward to seeing Nigel tear Starmer to pieces in the commons !
Quote from: TonySoprano on June 20, 2024, 02:49:10 pmBecoming less likely ill vote tory by the day. Absolutely no way I'll vote Labour in a million years, but Reform however look very appealing. I think Redorm will be the big winners in this election, and I'm looking forward to seeing Nigel tear Starmer to pieces in the commons ! I think we worked that out before you did
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 20, 2024, 03:12:29 pmQuote from: TonySoprano on June 20, 2024, 02:49:10 pmBecoming less likely ill vote tory by the day. Absolutely no way I'll vote Labour in a million years, but Reform however look very appealing. I think Redorm will be the big winners in this election, and I'm looking forward to seeing Nigel tear Starmer to pieces in the commons ! I think we worked that out before you did50/50 at the minute
Sounds like an interest rate cut will be coming in August. Lucky Starmer!
I am surprised nobody has mentioned this.Reform's promises are looking incredibly unrealistic. Perhaps journalists should stop asking Farage about something he is strong on (immigration) and start to question him on the costing of his manifesto. If those voting for him are interested.