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Quote from: TonySoprano on June 06, 2024, 01:56:08 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 06, 2024, 11:16:57 amQuote from: TonySoprano on June 06, 2024, 11:00:18 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 06, 2024, 10:44:08 amJust been looking at the Reform manifesto.I got as far as this."CO2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. CO2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere; the average garden greenhouse has 3 times more!"See, what gets me is this. Reform voters take offence at being called thick. But di they ever stop to think what the Reform leaders think about them?So you've taken a small quote out of context ? A quote you can't even disprove Nothing out of context. It's all they say on the subject of quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere.It's designed to belittle the issue for people too thick to understand data."0.04%? That's tiny! How can that do damage. I don't die when I go in a greenhouse. If they ban CO2, won't plants die?"If it's not meant to elect those reactions, what IS it meant for?It's completely out of context out of the whole section they have on the environment. Go on then. Why do you think they've put that specific text in there?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 06, 2024, 11:16:57 amQuote from: TonySoprano on June 06, 2024, 11:00:18 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 06, 2024, 10:44:08 amJust been looking at the Reform manifesto.I got as far as this."CO2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. CO2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere; the average garden greenhouse has 3 times more!"See, what gets me is this. Reform voters take offence at being called thick. But di they ever stop to think what the Reform leaders think about them?So you've taken a small quote out of context ? A quote you can't even disprove Nothing out of context. It's all they say on the subject of quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere.It's designed to belittle the issue for people too thick to understand data."0.04%? That's tiny! How can that do damage. I don't die when I go in a greenhouse. If they ban CO2, won't plants die?"If it's not meant to elect those reactions, what IS it meant for?It's completely out of context out of the whole section they have on the environment.
Quote from: TonySoprano on June 06, 2024, 11:00:18 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 06, 2024, 10:44:08 amJust been looking at the Reform manifesto.I got as far as this."CO2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. CO2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere; the average garden greenhouse has 3 times more!"See, what gets me is this. Reform voters take offence at being called thick. But di they ever stop to think what the Reform leaders think about them?So you've taken a small quote out of context ? A quote you can't even disprove Nothing out of context. It's all they say on the subject of quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere.It's designed to belittle the issue for people too thick to understand data."0.04%? That's tiny! How can that do damage. I don't die when I go in a greenhouse. If they ban CO2, won't plants die?"If it's not meant to elect those reactions, what IS it meant for?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 06, 2024, 10:44:08 amJust been looking at the Reform manifesto.I got as far as this."CO2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. CO2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere; the average garden greenhouse has 3 times more!"See, what gets me is this. Reform voters take offence at being called thick. But di they ever stop to think what the Reform leaders think about them?So you've taken a small quote out of context ? A quote you can't even disprove
Just been looking at the Reform manifesto.I got as far as this."CO2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. CO2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere; the average garden greenhouse has 3 times more!"See, what gets me is this. Reform voters take offence at being called thick. But di they ever stop to think what the Reform leaders think about them?
A few more policies from the Reform 'Contract'...Cut foreign aid by 50%Lift income tax starting point to £20kScrap VAT on energy bills Abolish tourist tax Reduce corporation taxFrontline NHS staff pay zero tax for 3 years Tax relief for private healthcare companies Tax relief for independent schools Recruit 40k more policeIncrease defence spending to 2.5% and then 3% GDPBuild 10k new prison placesIncrease farming budget by £3 Billion Protect country sports Repeal equalities actLeave European court of human rights Leave World Health organisation I'd support a couple of those, but I don't understand how taxes can be cut so significantly whilst spending so much?
"Country sports" - Is that another term for hunting?
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on June 06, 2024, 03:55:24 pmA few more policies from the Reform 'Contract'...Cut foreign aid by 50%Lift income tax starting point to £20kScrap VAT on energy bills Abolish tourist tax Reduce corporation taxFrontline NHS staff pay zero tax for 3 years Tax relief for private healthcare companies Tax relief for independent schools Recruit 40k more policeIncrease defence spending to 2.5% and then 3% GDPBuild 10k new prison placesIncrease farming budget by £3 Billion Protect country sports Repeal equalities actLeave European court of human rights Leave World Health organisation I'd support a couple of those, but I don't understand how taxes can be cut so significantly whilst spending so much? Because they've plucked numbers out of thin air to make their figures add up.For example, as well as spending all that money, they are also going to cut back Govt spending by £50bn/year. And they reckon increased growth will bring them another £10bn/year in tax income. Justified by a one line calculation.And they say they'll save £30bn a year by stopping interest payments on QE reserves. Sounds excellent. Trouble is, for very technical reasons, the BoE has to pay interest on those reserves whilever QE is high. If they don't, they lose control of the ability to change interest rates and then the biggest guard we have against runaway inflation, or deflation vanishes.The BoE is currently trying to get its QE figures down to a level where it really could stop paying interest on reserves. This is called Quantitative Tightening.Go on. Have a guess what the RefUK policy is on QT? That's right. To reverse it.The economic plans in their manifesto read like they were scrawled down on the back of one of Farage's fag packets. They are not remotely realistic. But they sound good to people who know nowt about economics. And of course, they'll never ever be out to the test. But they do give Farage another route to throw shite at everyone else, which he does so well.If he tries that in the debate tomorrow, someone should remind him what he thought of the Kamikwasi Budget.f**king idiot.
I doubt very much they would remove all interest payments. You won’t see this on the side of a bus either as people are generally not interested in how governments cost and budget for large scale policy change.What people are taking notice of are tax thresholds increasing, fuel duty cuts, energy vat cuts. Latest yougov poll has reform 2 points behind the tories. Somewhat academic given that we are probably looking at a Liebore govt. Liebore will get their chance to govern again. People can happily wave their red flags thinking that change is coming. It isn’t. And I can’t help but think that the bickering from the left side of the fence on here, is because, in your red hearts, you all know we are about to get 4 or 5 years of the same shit that this current govt have served up. Just under a different colour flag.
Has anyone else done the quiz thing? I'd be really interested to know if it makes anyone reconsider their voting preference.If you were planning to vote for a party but you only had 50% preference in common with their manifesto would that sway you?For the record, although they're not my most ideologically aligned I'm sticking with the Lib Dems as I'm in a position in my local party in which I would hope to influence policy from within rather than jump ship to someone else whenever there's a small variance. Had the party ranked much further down the list I would be seriously considering looking into the alternatives in more detail.
I don't understand how taxes can be cut so significantly whilst spending so much?
If this is the first TikTok election, you might be surprised at who's winning.On the youngest, buzziest social media platform, Reform UK - whose vote tends somewhat towards the elderly - has the most followers, 125,500, just ahead of Labour on 108,500. (Dated 30 May)
No Reform candidate standing in Doncaster North apparently.
I imagine they're going to concentrate their resources in seats they can steal from the tories
Looks like the Greens have conceded one to the Tories also.