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Did he fund the labour Party under Corbyn Billy? were momentum funded and the union movement?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 22, 2024, 03:00:22 pmQuote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 02:23:33 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 22, 2024, 02:17:00 pmQuote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 12:59:48 pmQuote from: TonySoprano on June 22, 2024, 12:02:34 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 11:38:35 amAnd it's not often I agree with Dan Hodges, but he's absolutely bang on the money here.https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1804425304150003760Just another one trying to compare this to ww2 to justify their pro war stance. Sickening.Ah yes being on the side of a defence pact that sovereign states can freely choose whether to join or not is pro-war. A defence pact of which the “eastern expansion” of involved no invasion of territory or direct deaths. A pact that countries who have either previously been under Soviet rule or threatened by Russia want to join, despite never threatening Russia themselves. Bloody warmongers.Countries expressing a desire to join nato DOES NOT threaten Russia. There is no excuse for what Russia has done. Look at the size of the Russia on a map. If you are Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania and you see them conducting military exercises near your border, would you be concerned given their imperialist history?Is Farage on the Russia payroll or is he seeing an opportunity to get some more right wing pseudo-intellectual contrarian votes? Funny how this aligns with far-left pacifists like Corbyn. I pointed this out before and was told there was no evidence there being a right-wing Putin-sympathiser movement. Well here you go BRR.NATO exercises on the Polish border and in the Baltic with a practiced attack on Kaliningrad - did you miss that?Feb 2022 - Russia invade UkraineJune and August 2023 - Russia launches Baltic naval drills in response to Finland becoming a NATO memberMarch 2024 - NATO drills in the Baltic.As you can see March 2024 is clearly after June 2023. Because NATO is a defence pact.https://apnews.com/article/russia-baltic-sea-military-drills-4ec2ed82bee2a44582032babaad174cfhttps://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/03/05/amid-russia-jitters-nato-drills-flowing-troops-across-polish-rivers/Lithuania blocked rail transport between Russia and Kaliningrad immediately after the invasion of Ukraine. The Russian action in the Baltic you refer to was to make a statement about Kaliningrad still being supported by sea, as well as demonstrating what could happen if NATO didn't back off in that location.“Immediately after the invasion of Ukraine” So Lithuania are just meant to see Russia act in Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine and think they don’t need to take steps to not make themselves vulnerable? Please detail how NATO was intimidating Kaliningrad prior to summer 2023. What were they doing that needed a message to be sent to “back off”?
Quote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 02:23:33 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 22, 2024, 02:17:00 pmQuote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 12:59:48 pmQuote from: TonySoprano on June 22, 2024, 12:02:34 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 11:38:35 amAnd it's not often I agree with Dan Hodges, but he's absolutely bang on the money here.https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1804425304150003760Just another one trying to compare this to ww2 to justify their pro war stance. Sickening.Ah yes being on the side of a defence pact that sovereign states can freely choose whether to join or not is pro-war. A defence pact of which the “eastern expansion” of involved no invasion of territory or direct deaths. A pact that countries who have either previously been under Soviet rule or threatened by Russia want to join, despite never threatening Russia themselves. Bloody warmongers.Countries expressing a desire to join nato DOES NOT threaten Russia. There is no excuse for what Russia has done. Look at the size of the Russia on a map. If you are Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania and you see them conducting military exercises near your border, would you be concerned given their imperialist history?Is Farage on the Russia payroll or is he seeing an opportunity to get some more right wing pseudo-intellectual contrarian votes? Funny how this aligns with far-left pacifists like Corbyn. I pointed this out before and was told there was no evidence there being a right-wing Putin-sympathiser movement. Well here you go BRR.NATO exercises on the Polish border and in the Baltic with a practiced attack on Kaliningrad - did you miss that?Feb 2022 - Russia invade UkraineJune and August 2023 - Russia launches Baltic naval drills in response to Finland becoming a NATO memberMarch 2024 - NATO drills in the Baltic.As you can see March 2024 is clearly after June 2023. Because NATO is a defence pact.https://apnews.com/article/russia-baltic-sea-military-drills-4ec2ed82bee2a44582032babaad174cfhttps://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/03/05/amid-russia-jitters-nato-drills-flowing-troops-across-polish-rivers/Lithuania blocked rail transport between Russia and Kaliningrad immediately after the invasion of Ukraine. The Russian action in the Baltic you refer to was to make a statement about Kaliningrad still being supported by sea, as well as demonstrating what could happen if NATO didn't back off in that location.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 22, 2024, 02:17:00 pmQuote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 12:59:48 pmQuote from: TonySoprano on June 22, 2024, 12:02:34 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 11:38:35 amAnd it's not often I agree with Dan Hodges, but he's absolutely bang on the money here.https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1804425304150003760Just another one trying to compare this to ww2 to justify their pro war stance. Sickening.Ah yes being on the side of a defence pact that sovereign states can freely choose whether to join or not is pro-war. A defence pact of which the “eastern expansion” of involved no invasion of territory or direct deaths. A pact that countries who have either previously been under Soviet rule or threatened by Russia want to join, despite never threatening Russia themselves. Bloody warmongers.Countries expressing a desire to join nato DOES NOT threaten Russia. There is no excuse for what Russia has done. Look at the size of the Russia on a map. If you are Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania and you see them conducting military exercises near your border, would you be concerned given their imperialist history?Is Farage on the Russia payroll or is he seeing an opportunity to get some more right wing pseudo-intellectual contrarian votes? Funny how this aligns with far-left pacifists like Corbyn. I pointed this out before and was told there was no evidence there being a right-wing Putin-sympathiser movement. Well here you go BRR.NATO exercises on the Polish border and in the Baltic with a practiced attack on Kaliningrad - did you miss that?Feb 2022 - Russia invade UkraineJune and August 2023 - Russia launches Baltic naval drills in response to Finland becoming a NATO memberMarch 2024 - NATO drills in the Baltic.As you can see March 2024 is clearly after June 2023. Because NATO is a defence pact.https://apnews.com/article/russia-baltic-sea-military-drills-4ec2ed82bee2a44582032babaad174cfhttps://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/03/05/amid-russia-jitters-nato-drills-flowing-troops-across-polish-rivers/
Quote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 12:59:48 pmQuote from: TonySoprano on June 22, 2024, 12:02:34 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 11:38:35 amAnd it's not often I agree with Dan Hodges, but he's absolutely bang on the money here.https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1804425304150003760Just another one trying to compare this to ww2 to justify their pro war stance. Sickening.Ah yes being on the side of a defence pact that sovereign states can freely choose whether to join or not is pro-war. A defence pact of which the “eastern expansion” of involved no invasion of territory or direct deaths. A pact that countries who have either previously been under Soviet rule or threatened by Russia want to join, despite never threatening Russia themselves. Bloody warmongers.Countries expressing a desire to join nato DOES NOT threaten Russia. There is no excuse for what Russia has done. Look at the size of the Russia on a map. If you are Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania and you see them conducting military exercises near your border, would you be concerned given their imperialist history?Is Farage on the Russia payroll or is he seeing an opportunity to get some more right wing pseudo-intellectual contrarian votes? Funny how this aligns with far-left pacifists like Corbyn. I pointed this out before and was told there was no evidence there being a right-wing Putin-sympathiser movement. Well here you go BRR.NATO exercises on the Polish border and in the Baltic with a practiced attack on Kaliningrad - did you miss that?
Quote from: TonySoprano on June 22, 2024, 12:02:34 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 11:38:35 amAnd it's not often I agree with Dan Hodges, but he's absolutely bang on the money here.https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1804425304150003760Just another one trying to compare this to ww2 to justify their pro war stance. Sickening.Ah yes being on the side of a defence pact that sovereign states can freely choose whether to join or not is pro-war. A defence pact of which the “eastern expansion” of involved no invasion of territory or direct deaths. A pact that countries who have either previously been under Soviet rule or threatened by Russia want to join, despite never threatening Russia themselves. Bloody warmongers.Countries expressing a desire to join nato DOES NOT threaten Russia. There is no excuse for what Russia has done. Look at the size of the Russia on a map. If you are Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania and you see them conducting military exercises near your border, would you be concerned given their imperialist history?Is Farage on the Russia payroll or is he seeing an opportunity to get some more right wing pseudo-intellectual contrarian votes? Funny how this aligns with far-left pacifists like Corbyn. I pointed this out before and was told there was no evidence there being a right-wing Putin-sympathiser movement. Well here you go BRR.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 11:38:35 amAnd it's not often I agree with Dan Hodges, but he's absolutely bang on the money here.https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1804425304150003760Just another one trying to compare this to ww2 to justify their pro war stance. Sickening.
And it's not often I agree with Dan Hodges, but he's absolutely bang on the money here.https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1804425304150003760
Quote from: Branton Red on June 22, 2024, 02:01:20 pmIt's the counterintuitivity of the argument that gets me.Let's form a collective, defensive military alliance to protect ourselves from and dissuade aggressive states.But let's not allow countries closest geographically, historically and culturally to an aggressor state from taking part in said alliance. You know those countries most at risk and in need of protection. In case we upset the aggressor.It's akin to villagers not allowing the immediate neighbours of known criminals from being members of a Neighbourhood Watch scheme.Appeasement pure and simple.Analogies eh! Easy to play the rhetoric game there, and throw in the "counter intuitive" smoke bomb too.Ukraine was a country between two powers, Russia and the USA. Russia had it's desires on it, so did the US. If left as was it would have always been in tension between the two, but could easily do well out of that situation playing each side off against the other. The US had CIA bases on Russias border, also reported other controversial establishments, and it has vast investments in Ukraine, territory and mines - so a capitalist interest, as well as the geopolitical, and the military one. "Aggressor" - the US upset the balance with its interference with feeding the coup, and now has a puppet in control. You acn argue about this but don't be a fool and say the US had no involvement. Russia said back off. I recall the US getting a bit reactive around Cuba some time back? Understandable really.The point is that Ukraine only became "at risk" following the US interference. Kinda "bleedin obvious". And is one of the few, if not the only, issues on which I agree with Farage. His motivations for this I might be at odds with. Certainly the result is a vast increase in income for the military corporations, for the western military per se, increased money for the fossil fuel producers and their investors, has temporarilly shat on our economy, and has increased immigration.
It's the counterintuitivity of the argument that gets me.Let's form a collective, defensive military alliance to protect ourselves from and dissuade aggressive states.But let's not allow countries closest geographically, historically and culturally to an aggressor state from taking part in said alliance. You know those countries most at risk and in need of protection. In case we upset the aggressor.It's akin to villagers not allowing the immediate neighbours of known criminals from being members of a Neighbourhood Watch scheme.Appeasement pure and simple.
Don't hate them at all Syd, until I was 70yrs old I never voted for any other party except the rates association in local elections a party the two big ones smashed in the 70's who were holding local councils to account as at the time I could never work out how a small village like Norton could have the highest rateable value outside the city of Westminster. Never voted in the last election partly disinterested but mainly out of the country. For the first time in my life another party has come along and they are rocking the boat, and the waves they are making are bigger than is being let on by the establishment who don't want change, and despite what you or your party say they don't want any change that will rock the boat the current two factions have. I loved the theory BST and others had thinking that the donations from business was proof they liked the Labour policies. Think that and you are really thick, it's just greasing the palms of who they think they will have to set the agenda and policy of and the pay off to make sure they jump when told, and like every other time labour have won an election big business will leave the UK and unemployment figures will rise within 18 months, The educated idiots have already got the oil and gas industries in their sights, our most wanted and one of the biggest earning industries in the country with a very skilled labour force who are highly paid and will move their tax liability abroad while about twenty miles away in the North Sea Norway are increasing production, have just found a massive new field and will no doubt sell it to us at top dollar when the wind mills are found out at great cost and increase their national fund at our expense. Apart from that on a personal view everything is tickety boo and I can't wait to look from the side lines at the fall out from it all as it unfolds and the politicians renegade on all the hot air they are spouting at the moment.
Quote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 03:27:48 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 22, 2024, 03:00:22 pmQuote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 02:23:33 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 22, 2024, 02:17:00 pmQuote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 12:59:48 pmQuote from: TonySoprano on June 22, 2024, 12:02:34 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 11:38:35 amAnd it's not often I agree with Dan Hodges, but he's absolutely bang on the money here.https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1804425304150003760Just another one trying to compare this to ww2 to justify their pro war stance. Sickening.Ah yes being on the side of a defence pact that sovereign states can freely choose whether to join or not is pro-war. A defence pact of which the “eastern expansion” of involved no invasion of territory or direct deaths. A pact that countries who have either previously been under Soviet rule or threatened by Russia want to join, despite never threatening Russia themselves. Bloody warmongers.Countries expressing a desire to join nato DOES NOT threaten Russia. There is no excuse for what Russia has done. Look at the size of the Russia on a map. If you are Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania and you see them conducting military exercises near your border, would you be concerned given their imperialist history?Is Farage on the Russia payroll or is he seeing an opportunity to get some more right wing pseudo-intellectual contrarian votes? Funny how this aligns with far-left pacifists like Corbyn. I pointed this out before and was told there was no evidence there being a right-wing Putin-sympathiser movement. Well here you go BRR.NATO exercises on the Polish border and in the Baltic with a practiced attack on Kaliningrad - did you miss that?Feb 2022 - Russia invade UkraineJune and August 2023 - Russia launches Baltic naval drills in response to Finland becoming a NATO memberMarch 2024 - NATO drills in the Baltic.As you can see March 2024 is clearly after June 2023. Because NATO is a defence pact.https://apnews.com/article/russia-baltic-sea-military-drills-4ec2ed82bee2a44582032babaad174cfhttps://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/03/05/amid-russia-jitters-nato-drills-flowing-troops-across-polish-rivers/Lithuania blocked rail transport between Russia and Kaliningrad immediately after the invasion of Ukraine. The Russian action in the Baltic you refer to was to make a statement about Kaliningrad still being supported by sea, as well as demonstrating what could happen if NATO didn't back off in that location.“Immediately after the invasion of Ukraine” So Lithuania are just meant to see Russia act in Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine and think they don’t need to take steps to not make themselves vulnerable? Please detail how NATO was intimidating Kaliningrad prior to summer 2023. What were they doing that needed a message to be sent to “back off”?Explain how Lithuania blocking transport between Russia and Kaliningrad makes them less vulnerable?That very action by Lithuania, obviously in league with NATO, was intimidation. Shall we try an analogy to help you here? Seems you are struggling. If some group were to surround your house and allow you only the back door as access, where the path led only to a river, would you feel supported and safe if your mates came along with a load of boats to make it clear you'd be supported in this direction?
Quote from: TonySoprano on June 22, 2024, 01:44:41 pmQuote from: Filo on June 22, 2024, 11:00:04 amQuote from: TonySoprano on June 22, 2024, 10:55:12 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 10:37:50 amQuote from: Smyth on June 22, 2024, 06:26:10 amSeem to be people on here who are prepared to fight to the last drop of someone else's blood. What's the solution to Ukraine? Forever war? Well that suits the arms manufacturers. Tell me are there anyone on here who has accommodated Ukraine people or contemplated doing so at their own expense? Yet haven't extended their virtue to African's?Can I do a James O'Brien piece of nonsense and ask is that because you're racist?And you reckon he stops at Ukraine if he wins there?Of course he will, no way will he attack another country. It's all about ukraine and how it's historically intertwined with Russia. On that basis should we attack Ireland?Does Ireland have enemy bases with missiles pointed at us ? Or the threat of having them in the near future if we don't act ? And heres me thinking you meant it’s all about Ukraine and how it’s historically intertwined with Russia, when you said “It’s all about Ukraine and how it’s historically intertwined with Russia, how stupid of me eh?No one has forced any Country bordering Russia to Join NATO, they’ve all applied, I wonder why? Perhaps they were all at one time under Russian rule by force, and perhaps they didn’t like it, so sought protection from them
Quote from: Filo on June 22, 2024, 11:00:04 amQuote from: TonySoprano on June 22, 2024, 10:55:12 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 10:37:50 amQuote from: Smyth on June 22, 2024, 06:26:10 amSeem to be people on here who are prepared to fight to the last drop of someone else's blood. What's the solution to Ukraine? Forever war? Well that suits the arms manufacturers. Tell me are there anyone on here who has accommodated Ukraine people or contemplated doing so at their own expense? Yet haven't extended their virtue to African's?Can I do a James O'Brien piece of nonsense and ask is that because you're racist?And you reckon he stops at Ukraine if he wins there?Of course he will, no way will he attack another country. It's all about ukraine and how it's historically intertwined with Russia. On that basis should we attack Ireland?Does Ireland have enemy bases with missiles pointed at us ? Or the threat of having them in the near future if we don't act ?
Quote from: TonySoprano on June 22, 2024, 10:55:12 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 10:37:50 amQuote from: Smyth on June 22, 2024, 06:26:10 amSeem to be people on here who are prepared to fight to the last drop of someone else's blood. What's the solution to Ukraine? Forever war? Well that suits the arms manufacturers. Tell me are there anyone on here who has accommodated Ukraine people or contemplated doing so at their own expense? Yet haven't extended their virtue to African's?Can I do a James O'Brien piece of nonsense and ask is that because you're racist?And you reckon he stops at Ukraine if he wins there?Of course he will, no way will he attack another country. It's all about ukraine and how it's historically intertwined with Russia. On that basis should we attack Ireland?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 10:37:50 amQuote from: Smyth on June 22, 2024, 06:26:10 amSeem to be people on here who are prepared to fight to the last drop of someone else's blood. What's the solution to Ukraine? Forever war? Well that suits the arms manufacturers. Tell me are there anyone on here who has accommodated Ukraine people or contemplated doing so at their own expense? Yet haven't extended their virtue to African's?Can I do a James O'Brien piece of nonsense and ask is that because you're racist?And you reckon he stops at Ukraine if he wins there?Of course he will, no way will he attack another country. It's all about ukraine and how it's historically intertwined with Russia.
Quote from: Smyth on June 22, 2024, 06:26:10 amSeem to be people on here who are prepared to fight to the last drop of someone else's blood. What's the solution to Ukraine? Forever war? Well that suits the arms manufacturers. Tell me are there anyone on here who has accommodated Ukraine people or contemplated doing so at their own expense? Yet haven't extended their virtue to African's?Can I do a James O'Brien piece of nonsense and ask is that because you're racist?And you reckon he stops at Ukraine if he wins there?
Seem to be people on here who are prepared to fight to the last drop of someone else's blood. What's the solution to Ukraine? Forever war? Well that suits the arms manufacturers. Tell me are there anyone on here who has accommodated Ukraine people or contemplated doing so at their own expense? Yet haven't extended their virtue to African's?Can I do a James O'Brien piece of nonsense and ask is that because you're racist?
It is people like you Billy that Farage thinks are as thick as mince as you put it. You are consumed by him because you fear him, he is too clever for people like you, and you make him the centre of the conversation, and when you are derogatory you show your true colours, where as tell me another politician who is the centre of anything apart from saying nothing. The slant you are putting on what he predicted would happen in 2014 is just trying a character assassination again because you fear him. The great Arsenal and Huddersfield manager manager in the 1920's /30's Herbert Chapman once told the r press talk about the Arsenal even if it is bad. He understood even then publicity, take note. For six hours he has been the only subject on radio and tv news , he loves it and is winning support , whereas the leaders debate without him has been criticised for lack mof content and answers, he is burying them, and people like you are part of the reason, he owns you.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 22, 2024, 03:53:10 pmQuote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 03:27:48 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 22, 2024, 03:00:22 pmQuote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 02:23:33 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 22, 2024, 02:17:00 pmQuote from: ncRover on June 22, 2024, 12:59:48 pmQuote from: TonySoprano on June 22, 2024, 12:02:34 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 22, 2024, 11:38:35 amAnd it's not often I agree with Dan Hodges, but he's absolutely bang on the money here.https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1804425304150003760Just another one trying to compare this to ww2 to justify their pro war stance. Sickening.Ah yes being on the side of a defence pact that sovereign states can freely choose whether to join or not is pro-war. A defence pact of which the “eastern expansion” of involved no invasion of territory or direct deaths. A pact that countries who have either previously been under Soviet rule or threatened by Russia want to join, despite never threatening Russia themselves. Bloody warmongers.Countries expressing a desire to join nato DOES NOT threaten Russia. There is no excuse for what Russia has done. Look at the size of the Russia on a map. If you are Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania and you see them conducting military exercises near your border, would you be concerned given their imperialist history?Is Farage on the Russia payroll or is he seeing an opportunity to get some more right wing pseudo-intellectual contrarian votes? Funny how this aligns with far-left pacifists like Corbyn. I pointed this out before and was told there was no evidence there being a right-wing Putin-sympathiser movement. Well here you go BRR.NATO exercises on the Polish border and in the Baltic with a practiced attack on Kaliningrad - did you miss that?Feb 2022 - Russia invade UkraineJune and August 2023 - Russia launches Baltic naval drills in response to Finland becoming a NATO memberMarch 2024 - NATO drills in the Baltic.As you can see March 2024 is clearly after June 2023. Because NATO is a defence pact.https://apnews.com/article/russia-baltic-sea-military-drills-4ec2ed82bee2a44582032babaad174cfhttps://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2024/03/05/amid-russia-jitters-nato-drills-flowing-troops-across-polish-rivers/Lithuania blocked rail transport between Russia and Kaliningrad immediately after the invasion of Ukraine. The Russian action in the Baltic you refer to was to make a statement about Kaliningrad still being supported by sea, as well as demonstrating what could happen if NATO didn't back off in that location.“Immediately after the invasion of Ukraine” So Lithuania are just meant to see Russia act in Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine and think they don’t need to take steps to not make themselves vulnerable? Please detail how NATO was intimidating Kaliningrad prior to summer 2023. What were they doing that needed a message to be sent to “back off”?Explain how Lithuania blocking transport between Russia and Kaliningrad makes them less vulnerable?That very action by Lithuania, obviously in league with NATO, was intimidation. Shall we try an analogy to help you here? Seems you are struggling. If some group were to surround your house and allow you only the back door as access, where the path led only to a river, would you feel supported and safe if your mates came along with a load of boats to make it clear you'd be supported in this direction?Is the protagonist whose house is surrounded in your analogy a highly dangerous criminal who has just launched a grenade in to a neighbour’s back garden?I seriously cannot reason with someone who thinks that Lithuania blocking a railway line in THEIR OWN COUNTRY used by a recently hostile state about x50 their size is as intimidating as imperialist superpower Russia repeatedly invading neighbouring sovereign states. Especially when Russia’s action preceded Lithuania’s.Do you actually think that if the Baltic states weren’t in the EU or NATO that Putin would never interfere with them?
If anyone needs a pointer to the difference of interest Farage has for people compared with other political leaders just look at Sawsby Steves Two threads on Starmer and Farage. Both seven pages in the threads, interesting Starmer's thread started on the 2nd of December 2023 The thread on Farage started on June the 13th 2024 and BST hasn't slept since the first post about him. At least he is interesting and people have an opinion about the man.
Raven, if you live another twenty or thirty years you will be able no doubt to vote Labour as many times as I did, then you will get to a certain age and realise how disappointed you have been for so long. Even posted flyers and knocked on doors for Harold Wilson in Leytonstone London when it was mostly posh in the mid sixties, and laughed when someone put a firework in the speaker on the back of a truck while the Conservative candidate was speaking on the green in Askern Don't worry growing up will come to you one day buddy.
Quote from: selby on June 22, 2024, 04:20:10 pm How do you know he didn't, source. You are making the allegation, how about you provide a source to those allegations?
How do you know he didn't, source.
Couldn't possibly vote reform they have no candidate in my constituency.
Quote from: selby on June 23, 2024, 04:44:53 pm Couldn't possibly vote reform they have no candidate in my constituency.Nor mine.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 23, 2024, 04:57:37 pmQuote from: selby on June 23, 2024, 04:44:53 pm Couldn't possibly vote reform they have no candidate in my constituency.Nor mine.Good, you've saved the lovely people in your constituency of a snake oil salesman.