Farage

[selby]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

[Filo]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

I wouldn’t like to think Outpatients scheduled an appointment for me at 2am

[drfchound]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

I wouldn’t like to think Outpatients scheduled an appointment for me at 2am

I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Parking would possibly be easier too.

[Filo]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

I wouldn’t like to think Outpatients scheduled an appointment for me at 2am

I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Parking would possibly be easier too.

I assume you are retired and don’t have to get up for work?

[drfchound]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

I wouldn’t like to think Outpatients scheduled an appointment for me at 2am

I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Parking would possibly be easier too.

I assume you are retired and don’t have to get up for work?

Correct but had I still been working and desperate for a hospital appointment I would still have happily taken it rather than wait for weeks on end.
I said it wouldn’t be a problem for me.
People do still have an option of contacting the hospital  to reschedule an appointment that doesn’t work for them.

[Filo]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

I wouldn’t like to think Outpatients scheduled an appointment for me at 2am

I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Parking would possibly be easier too.

I assume you are retired and don’t have to get up for work?

Correct but had I still been working and desperate for a hospital appointment I would still have happily taken it rather than wait for weeks on end.
I said it wouldn’t be a problem for me.
People do still have an option of contacting the hospital  to reschedule an appointment that doesn’t work for them.

You can only reschedule twice before you are struck off

[ravenrover]

It's taken over her shoulder as she has put the X in it's place
The photo now appears to have vanished from his X account but here it is with the following comment from Chris Bryant referring to it's breaking of electoral law
The circumstances referred to in subsection (3A)(c) are where V is about to mark, is in the process of marking, or has just marked, a ballot paper sent to V for voting by post at the election."

Cheers for that raven.
I wondered what all the fuss was about.
It doesn’t actually show an X on the paper does it so if it is illegal to publish a picture of someone’s ballot sheet with a clear picture of who they voted for I guess there isn’t a case to answer.
It would seem logical though who she would vote for anyway.

Read the note again from Chris Bryant

I did read it.
The voter is hovering a pen over the ballot sheet.
Something she might do over each box before deciding which one to put her cross into.
We know who she is most likely to vote for but there is no evidence that she did so.

It doesn't matter where she marks it
Where V is about to mark, is in the process of marking
That seems clear to me but you're struggling with that for whatever reason
The photo was captioned
Marriage safe - got the wifes vote

I’m not struggling with it at all.
As I said, the picture itself doesn’t confirm anything.
As for the caption, I haven’t seen it as it isn’t visible to me on the picture that was posted.

It's the photo itself which is on breach of the rules not the fact that you can't see a vote being placed. You are not allowed to post a photo of someone preparing to or actually having cast their  vote.
If you are not struggling then  you must just be being plain awkward
Anyway that's my last attempt to explain it to you the last word will as usual be with you

[Ldr]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

I wouldn’t like to think Outpatients scheduled an appointment for me at 2am

I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Parking would possibly be easier too.

I assume you are retired and don’t have to get up for work?

Correct but had I still been working and desperate for a hospital appointment I would still have happily taken it rather than wait for weeks on end.
I said it wouldn’t be a problem for me.
People do still have an option of contacting the hospital  to reschedule an appointment that doesn’t work for them.

You can only reschedule twice before you are struck off

That must be a local policy, not like that up here

[Filo]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

I wouldn’t like to think Outpatients scheduled an appointment for me at 2am

I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Parking would possibly be easier too.

I assume you are retired and don’t have to get up for work?

Correct but had I still been working and desperate for a hospital appointment I would still have happily taken it rather than wait for weeks on end.
I said it wouldn’t be a problem for me.
People do still have an option of contacting the hospital  to reschedule an appointment that doesn’t work for them.

You can only reschedule twice before you are struck off

That must be a local policy, not like that up here

Thats what Doncaster and Bassetlaw appointments office told me about 2 weeks ago

[drfchound]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

I wouldn’t like to think Outpatients scheduled an appointment for me at 2am

I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Parking would possibly be easier too.

I assume you are retired and don’t have to get up for work?

Correct but had I still been working and desperate for a hospital appointment I would still have happily taken it rather than wait for weeks on end.
I said it wouldn’t be a problem for me.
People do still have an option of contacting the hospital  to reschedule an appointment that doesn’t work for them.

You can only reschedule twice before you are struck off

Surely you would make sure that when you called to reschedule you would ask for a time and date you can do.
I have done it myself a couples times.

[SydneyRover]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

I wouldn’t like to think Outpatients scheduled an appointment for me at 2am

I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Parking would possibly be easier too.

I assume you are retired and don’t have to get up for work?

Correct but had I still been working and desperate for a hospital appointment I would still have happily taken it rather than wait for weeks on end.
I said it wouldn’t be a problem for me.
People do still have an option of contacting the hospital  to reschedule an appointment that doesn’t work for them.

You can only reschedule twice before you are struck off

That must be a local policy, not like that up here

I admire your patience RR, I haven't seen a retraction from ldr on this, maybe I missed it.

[Ldr]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

I wouldn’t like to think Outpatients scheduled an appointment for me at 2am

I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Parking would possibly be easier too.

I assume you are retired and don’t have to get up for work?

Correct but had I still been working and desperate for a hospital appointment I would still have happily taken it rather than wait for weeks on end.
I said it wouldn’t be a problem for me.
People do still have an option of contacting the hospital  to reschedule an appointment that doesn’t work for them.

You can only reschedule twice before you are struck off

That must be a local policy, not like that up here

I admire your patience RR, I haven't seen a retraction from ldr on this, maybe I missed it.

If anyone can see anything in the quoted post that needs a retraction please let me know otherwise I’ll put it down to a pissed up Syd

[normal rules]

The very latest MRP poll has reform winning 18 seats.( telegraph online)

[SydneyRover]

  Syd, who I vote for is between me and the ballot box, that is why they have private booths for you to fill your slip in, so nobody can intimidate you.
  What I will say is that the best candidate on the ballot paper is the Socialist Democratic Party in my ward, who also stood I think for the Lord mayor of South Yorkshire, but the popular vote as usual in South Yorkshire didn't get past the monkey in red despite their awful record in local government.
  What I cannot understand that in spite of posing as a political animal on here, when it comes to basics on how to vote you seem to be lacking in basic knowledge of the procedure, or are you just another educated ( that's questionable, but hey I will give you the benefit of the doubt) idiot, or just a downright rude nosy bugger.

Sectet ballots, private booths? Has Hunt with silent C forgotten that, splashing photo of his wife casting her postal vote.
Isn't that illegal?

Despite what you want the answer to be, no it isnt

This is incorrect, no?

[rtid88]

  There is nothing wrong with the funding of the NHS, its the staff that work in it.
  Its easy millions of pounds worth of equipment are idle for 10 to 16 hrs in every 24.
  Introduce 24 hr working practices The staff will love four on four off days, afters, night shifts.

From someone who clearly has no knowledge of the NHS other than what the Sun and the Daily Mail tell him.

[selby]

  Filo if you reschedule twice now I would question if you really have to go at all.
  RTid88 I have a lot of experience of the NHS at Nottingham, Hull, York, and Doncaster having travelled to all In the case of York  for every day for four months, some decent treatment and some terrible organisation and indifference by others.
  Most jobs are a steady numbers with the front line overworked and if you are not related or friends of someone you have little chance of landing a job there.
  It just burns funds and the way the Labour party set up the funding they saddled hospitals with debt. 
  Like the comedy films of national service in the fifties just grab a clip board and you can get your ten thousand steps in a day up and down the corridors.

[ncRover]

The NHS needs funds directed in a way that means it needs less money over time.

Potentially on things that mean you don’t have to hire so many people. Such as new technology, AI software, online bookings, equipment etc. Would the unions push for things that lead to streamlining? Is it in their interest?

Throwing more frontline staff at it without improving IT, infrastructure and organisation just means the money gets swallowed up and they demand more again. Selby makes a very valid point. As does hound on out of hours appointments.

The private sector has a role in helping to take the pressure off the NHS too. I don’t understand some people’s moral aversion to that.

[Bristol Red Rover]

The NHS needs funds directed in a way that means it needs less money over time.

Potentially on things that mean you don’t have to hire so many people. Such as new technology, AI software, online bookings, equipment etc. Would the unions push for things that lead to streamlining? Is it in their interest?

Throwing more frontline staff at it without improving IT, infrastructure and organisation just means the money gets swallowed up and they demand more again. Selby makes a very valid point. As does hound on out of hours appointments.

The private sector has a role in helping to take the pressure off the NHS too. I don’t understand some people’s moral aversion to that.

Later appointments, up till say 8pm could be a positive move. Later than that and one of the key factors that can make people ill comes into play. eg:
https://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/features/shift-work

Yes, some would benefit from having earlier scans etc, but having v late appointments is an insane route to take as it is very definitely generating ill health. It seems to me that those in favour of such a system miss the boat on the very basics of what a health service shouold be about - not just focused on cure but having prevention as the cornerstone. Similar woud be around the costs to the health service of austerity. Poverty causes and aggravates health problems. Where is that accounted? Same goes for crime.

People are not as alert working nights, more mistakes will be made.

I don't disagree about the other suggestions there being taken into account as being potentially positive. Except that the push by corporations for more med technology technology involves serious self interest too. It has to be looked at fully. Some of the best interventions in health that happen are from personal contact including care continuity. That is something that management efficiencies can walk all over. AI has its place but can go seriously wrong too.

The private sector can take up slack, maybe, but essentially it is the same NHS people working for corporations that milk money for investors. Frequently it is a false economy needed because of basic lack of funds for the NHS. Overall we will lose out there.

So yes, it's not all about chucking staff at the NHS, but that is one of the ways forwards. What is needed more is a whole review of the medical system we have where many illnesses are caused by over use of drugs. That partly to do with Pharma having a very powerful place is determining what happens. For somewhat differing reasons, the Tories won't change that, nor will reform, and nor will Labour.

[danumdon]

Does anyone know why the NHS in a similar manner to the MOD and the Railways have to pay through the roof prices for any item that's required to be used in the service.

I know why the Military and Railways are straddled with their procurement standards but i would of thought that there should be massive potential to reduce costs and get better value for their money in the NHS.

Anyone?

[Herbert Anchovy]

Channel 4 news tonight should be an interesting watch for anyone still considering voting for Reform.


Racist, homophobic & violent threats? Who’d have guessed it?

I wonder what attracted them to the Reform party?

[ncRover]

The NHS needs funds directed in a way that means it needs less money over time.

Potentially on things that mean you don’t have to hire so many people. Such as new technology, AI software, online bookings, equipment etc. Would the unions push for things that lead to streamlining? Is it in their interest?

Throwing more frontline staff at it without improving IT, infrastructure and organisation just means the money gets swallowed up and they demand more again. Selby makes a very valid point. As does hound on out of hours appointments.

The private sector has a role in helping to take the pressure off the NHS too. I don’t understand some people’s moral aversion to that.

Later appointments, up till say 8pm could be a positive move. Later than that and one of the key factors that can make people ill comes into play. eg:
https://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/features/shift-work

Yes, some would benefit from having earlier scans etc, but having v late appointments is an insane route to take as it is very definitely generating ill health. It seems to me that those in favour of such a system miss the boat on the very basics of what a health service shouold be about - not just focused on cure but having prevention as the cornerstone. Similar woud be around the costs to the health service of austerity. Poverty causes and aggravates health problems. Where is that accounted? Same goes for crime.

People are not as alert working nights, more mistakes will be made.

I don't disagree about the other suggestions there being taken into account as being potentially positive. Except that the push by corporations for more med technology technology involves serious self interest too. It has to be looked at fully. Some of the best interventions in health that happen are from personal contact including care continuity. That is something that management efficiencies can walk all over. AI has its place but can go seriously wrong too.

The private sector can take up slack, maybe, but essentially it is the same NHS people working for corporations that milk money for investors. Frequently it is a false economy needed because of basic lack of funds for the NHS. Overall we will lose out there.

So yes, it's not all about chucking staff at the NHS, but that is one of the ways forwards. What is needed more is a whole review of the medical system we have where many illnesses are caused by over use of drugs. That partly to do with Pharma having a very powerful place is determining what happens. For somewhat differing reasons, the Tories won't change that, nor will reform, and nor will Labour.

You’re bang on about a few things here.

Appointments until 9pm would be good. Some from 6am too for before work. But not through the night.

Read “Why we sleep” by Matthew Walker it will change your attitude completely (if needed). The Danish government actually compensated shift workers of over 20 years who ended up with breast cancer (who were otherwise low risk) as a result of the risk factor of night shift work.

The daily rate of car accidents and heart attacks goes up the day after the clocks go forward and we get a hour less in bed. People who are workaholics and wear lack of sleep like a badge of honour need telling.

Secondly, in my field (musculoskeletal) at least I agree with you on excessive use of pharmaceuticals. I will stay professional, but it blows my mind that some doctors can dismiss some alternative treatment or certain exercise regimes as “dangerous” but then prescribe someone with a strong opioid drug like tramadol.

There was a groundbreaking study that showed that depression wasn’t actually linked to low serotonin levels “chemical imbalance” in the brain, despite popular belief. But at the end of the study, it said something along the lines of “but still take serotonin-modulating anti-depressants”. Such as are commonly prescribed. That’s the power and influence right there.

I think people’s attitudes are slowly changing though. A lot of people I see say they don’t want to be on medication to manage pain. And people can educate themselves better nowadays on prevention. But people shouldn’t feel like they are meant to be unhealthy by the system and then ultimately dependant on it.

[ncRover]

Channel 4 news tonight should be an interesting watch for anyone still considering voting for Reform.


Racist, homophobic & violent threats? Who’d have guessed it?

I wonder what attracted them to the Reform party?

Christ it’s worse than I thought it was going to be.

Saying asylum seekers should be shot on the beach and calling Rishi Sunak the P word.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Does anyone know why the NHS in a similar manner to the MOD and the Railways have to pay through the roof prices for any item that's required to be used in the service.

I know why the Military and Railways are straddled with their procurement standards but i would of thought that there should be massive potential to reduce costs and get better value for their money in the NHS.

Anyone?

They get better value for money on purchases than any other health organisation on the planet

[BillyStubbsTears]

Channel 4 news tonight should be an interesting watch for anyone still considering voting for Reform.


Racist, homophobic & violent threats? Who’d have guessed it?

I wonder what attracted them to the Reform party?

Christ it’s worse than I thought it was going to be.

Saying asylum seekers should be shot on the beach and calling Rishi Sunak the P word.

What do you expect. The whole project is about tapping into the festering bile in the hearts of a minority of the population. It's inevitable that some of their candidates wouldn't have been able to keep theirs hidden.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

If the polls are right it's a bloody sizeable minority.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's about 20%. Which is a minority.

Question to folk in here is, do you really want to support a party that is happy with candidates who talk about wanting to slaughter people.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It's about 20%. Which is a minority.

Question to folk in here is, do you really want to support a party that is happy with candidates who talk about wanting to slaughter people.

20% of voters is absolutely huge. Of course it's a minority but a bloody big one.

Reform is the reason I hope labour can do far better than I fear they will in government.  If they don't give people something tangible reform are waiting to lap it up in places like Doncaster for sure.

[Sprotyrover]

It's about 20%. Which is a minority.

Question to folk in here is, do you really want to support a party that is happy with candidates who talk about wanting to slaughter people.

So 20% of the Population are Fascists ! As I have said many times Most Labour voters have political views which are slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan’s!

[Sprotyrover]

It's about 20%. Which is a minority.

Question to folk in here is, do you really want to support a party that is happy with candidates who talk about wanting to slaughter people.

20% of voters is absolutely huge. Of course it's a minority but a bloody big one.

Reform is the reason I hope labour can do far better than I fear they will in government.  If they don't give people something tangible reform are waiting to lap it up in places like Doncaster for sure.

They haven’t got a Candidate standing against Milliband so that’s one seat they won’t get!

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

I share your concern. But I also gave faith that the other 80% of us don't share those values.

The problem comes when people normalise Nige as being safe and ignore the core values of his party.