Farage

[Filo]

  It's ok we have already got one, he is called Miliband opens his gob regular and appears at election time usually from a private jet and in a Land Rover, something to do with him being shadow secretary of state for climate change and net zero,
  He has worked wonders around here, loads have plenty of time on their hands, and he once gave me a quid at a fund raiser raffle for funds while a guest of Askern Welfare FC, all the local lads were chipping in a tenner.
  A complete and died in the wool knob head full of s**t.

You don’t get out often enough, I see Milliband at least once a month in the consituency

[scawsby steve]

  If anyone needs a pointer to the difference of interest  Farage has for people compared with other political leaders just look at Sawsby Steves Two threads on Starmer and Farage.
   Both seven pages in the threads, interesting Starmer's thread started on the 2nd of  December 2023
   The thread on Farage started on June the 13th 2024 and BST hasn't slept since the first post about him.
  At least he is interesting and people have an opinion about the man.

name something farage has done that benefits the uk and all its people, that should be easy for you. him or SS

There you go again, Syd, with your total inability to understand semantics. Where have I said that I support Farage and Reform?

I said that I thought he outperformed the others on the last debate, which is understandable as he and George Galloway are both rated as 2 of the best public orators in the UK.

As regards something that benefits the UK and all it's people, you'll be asking that of Starmer in the not too distant future. I hope you won't be disappointed.

[ravenrover]

  Raven, if you live another twenty or thirty years you will be able no doubt to vote Labour as many times as I did, then you will get to a certain age and realise how disappointed you have been for so long.
  Even posted flyers and knocked on doors for Harold Wilson  in Leytonstone London when it was mostly posh in the mid sixties, and laughed when someone put a firework in the speaker on the back of a truck while  the Conservative candidate was speaking on the green in Askern
  Don't worry  growing up will come to you one day buddy.

20 or 30 years? How many telegrams have you had from the Queen and now King.
I have no allegiance to any particular party but having worked for NCB I have difficulty in voting Tory since the 80's for obvious reasons. I have probably voted LibDem more times than any other party but realise it was merely a wasted vote gainst Labour and Tory. Where I live now my village is full of wealthy aged dyed on the wool Tory voters, you might fit in well, maybe you see my problem?
If you geuinely think that Farage and co are the party for you then you are misguided in my opinion. You claim to be a man of wealth perhaps you are hoping their madcap ideas won't affect you except their promises which appear to look after the wealthier at the expense of the poorer.
Now then Old lad which nursing home are you in as only being in my 70's I could  come up and visit you and wipe the dribble from the corner of your mouth.

Aaah so now you can't vote Reform because they have no candidate, which you must have known all along, so who's it be?

[SydneyRover]

  If anyone needs a pointer to the difference of interest  Farage has for people compared with other political leaders just look at Sawsby Steves Two threads on Starmer and Farage.
   Both seven pages in the threads, interesting Starmer's thread started on the 2nd of  December 2023
   The thread on Farage started on June the 13th 2024 and BST hasn't slept since the first post about him.
  At least he is interesting and people have an opinion about the man.

name something farage has done that benefits the uk and all its people, that should be easy for you. him or SS

There you go again, Syd, with your total inability to understand semantics. Where have I said that I support Farage and Reform?

I said that I thought he outperformed the others on the last debate, which is understandable as he and George Galloway are both rated as 2 of the best public orators in the UK.

As regards something that benefits the UK and all it's people, you'll be asking that of Starmer in the not too distant future. I hope you won't be disappointed.

Not sure why you still suffer from semantics when penicillin has been around for so long Steve. The fact that you admire him and post about him shows where your head is and whaat you care about.

[scawsby steve]

  If anyone needs a pointer to the difference of interest  Farage has for people compared with other political leaders just look at Sawsby Steves Two threads on Starmer and Farage.
   Both seven pages in the threads, interesting Starmer's thread started on the 2nd of  December 2023
   The thread on Farage started on June the 13th 2024 and BST hasn't slept since the first post about him.
  At least he is interesting and people have an opinion about the man.

name something farage has done that benefits the uk and all its people, that should be easy for you. him or SS

There you go again, Syd, with your total inability to understand semantics. Where have I said that I support Farage and Reform?

I said that I thought he outperformed the others on the last debate, which is understandable as he and George Galloway are both rated as 2 of the best public orators in the UK.

As regards something that benefits the UK and all it's people, you'll be asking that of Starmer in the not too distant future. I hope you won't be disappointed.

Not sure why you still suffer from semantics when penicillin has been around for so long Steve. The fact that you admire him and post about him shows where your head is and whaat you care about.

Whaat? Aye?

[Bristol Red Rover]

NC, you didn't answer the question I asked, for the 2nd time, in the first para several posts back. And then you ask me a question. One at a time - try, you answer, then you ask. Don't answer and I cba back at ya.

[SydneyRover]

Just so we don't forget what farage in combination with the incredibly weak cameron 'gave' the uk.

''In comparison to the earlier four periods of one-party dominance post-1945, it is hard to see the years since 2010 as anything but disappointing. By 2024, Britain’s standing in the world was lower, the union was less strong, the country less equal, the population less well protected, growth more sluggish with the outlook poor, public services underperforming and largely unreformed, while respect for the institutions of the British state, including the civil service, judiciary and the police, was lower, as it was for external bodies, including the universities and the BBC, repeatedly attacked not least by government, ministers and right-wing commentators.

Do the unusually high number of external shocks to some extent let the governments off the hook? One above all – Brexit – was entirely of its own making and will be seen in history as the defining decision of these years. In 2024, the verdict on Brexit is almost entirely negative, with those who are suffering the most from it, as sceptics at the time predicted, the most vulnerable. The nation was certainly difficult to rule in these fourteen years, the Conservative party still more so. Longstanding problems certainly contributed to the difficulties the prime minister faced in providing clear strategic policy, including the 24-hour news cycle, the rise of social media and AI, and the frequency of scandals and crises. But it was the decision of the prime minister to choose to be distracted by the short term, rather than focusing on the strategic and the long term. The prime minister has agency: the incumbents often overlooked it.

Overall, it is hard to find a comparable period in history of a Conservative, or other, government which achieved so little, or which left the country at its conclusion in a more troubling state.

In their concluding essay, Seldon and Egerton argue that poor leadership was one of the main problems with the 14-year administration. They say that Boris Johnson and Liz Truss were “not up to the job” of being prime minister, and they have a low opinion of most of the other leading figures who have been in government. They say:

Very few cabinet ministers from 2010 to 2024 could hold a candle to the team who served under Clement Attlee – which included Ernest Bevin, Nye Bevan, Stafford Cripps, Hugh Gaitskell and Herbert Morrison. Or the teams who served under Wilson, Thatcher or Blair. Michael Gove, Jeremy Hunt and Philip Hammond were rare examples of ministers of quality after 2010 …

A strong and capable prime minister is essential to governmental success in the British system. The earlier four periods saw two historic and landmark prime ministers, ie Churchill and Thatcher, with a succession of others who were capable if not agenda-changing PMs, including Macmillan, Wilson, Major and Blair. Since 2010, only Cameron came close to that level, with Sunak the best of the rest. Policy virtually stopped under May as Brexit consumed almost all the machine’s time, while serious policymaking ground to a halt under Johnson’s inept leadership, the worst in modern premiership, and the hapless Truss. Continuity of policy was not helped by each incoming prime minister despising their predecessor, with Truss’s admiration for Johnson the only exception. Thus they took next no time to understand what it was their predecessors were trying to do, and how to build on it rather than destroy it.

Seldon’s first book, published 40 years ago, was about Churchill’s postwar administration, and he has been editing similar collections of essays studying the record of administrations since Margaret Thatcher’s. He is a fair judge, and not given to making criticisms like this lightly.

The book is officially being published next week, and I’m quoting from a proof copy. In this version, the subtitle still has a question mark after 14 Wasted Years? Judging by the conclusion, that does not seem necessary''

[ncRover]

NC, you didn't answer the question I asked, for the 2nd time, in the first para several posts back. And then you ask me a question. One at a time - try, you answer, then you ask. Don't answer and I cba back at ya.

It makes them less vulnerable as it stops actors of a hostile state that holds theirs in disdain for future domination acting on their soil.

Allowing the Russian war machine to operate at full strength makes them vulnerable further down the line.

Your turn.

[selby]

  Syd, who I vote for is between me and the ballot box, that is why they have private booths for you to fill your slip in, so nobody can intimidate you.
  What I will say is that the best candidate on the ballot paper is the Socialist Democratic Party in my ward, who also stood I think for the Lord mayor of South Yorkshire, but the popular vote as usual in South Yorkshire didn't get past the monkey in red despite their awful record in local government.
  What I cannot understand that in spite of posing as a political animal on here, when it comes to basics on how to vote you seem to be lacking in basic knowledge of the procedure, or are you just another educated ( that's questionable, but hey I will give you the benefit of the doubt) idiot, or just a downright rude nosy bugger.

[selby]

  Back to Farage, he is running a fantastic election campaign, nobody else is getting any exposure in the media, the odd little quip but the main story is Farage, some hate him but he is gathering support around the country, and every news cast and TV political subjects are mainly what he says and his slant on what is happening, and he knows for everyone that call him out two think he is the only one saying it how it is. and has the advantage over Labour and the Tories of never making a bollox of it previously like those two have repeatedly.
   He has another page on this thread over the weekend while the thread devoted to Starmer is stuck on seven pages in seven months which he has overtook in three weeks, mainly due to Starmer having nothing to say, he only ever criticises others after the event as he basically does nothing in speeches or actually, a grey man with a dangerous silent programme of events to come.
  If it is true that there is no such thing as bad publicity, BST ,Syd and friends are doing a stirling job of projecting him on here.

[Herbert Anchovy]

I had a visit from our local Reform candidate on Saturday. To be fair to him, at least he made an effort unlike the local Tory and Lib Dem candidates who haven't been seen at all. I can imagine that he thought that he was onto a winner when he saw me answer the door; 6 foot 3, shaved head and a couple of tattoos, not to generalise anyone though!

Rather than slam the door in his face, which was my instinct, I decided that I wouldn't be that rude and would engage him in a chat. In fact he came across as a very reasonable chap but with (in my view) unreasonable political views. He clearly had little knowledge of the issues locally and had placed all his eggs into the immigration basket. He told me that Reform would send the boats back to France. I asked him what would happen when France inevitably says they're not accepting them, all he could/would say was that we'd have difficult conversations with them! So that's that sorted then!!

When I told him that I don't object to paying more tax, I just object to it being wasted he looked surprised and said that under Reform I'd pay much less tax but that efficiencies would be made elsewhere to maintain and improve public services. I still don't understand how that can work and he wasn't able to explain it to me either. Maybe I just don't get it?

After our chat I wished him well for after the election (there's no way on earth he'll win here but he might give the Tories a bloody nose).

So, I didn't really learn anything from him to change my view of Reform. I still don't really know how they will stop the boats, I'm still deeply suspicious of some of their supporters (though he seemed a genuine bloke) and I still can't understand how they're going to cut taxes so drastically without having a serious detrimental effect on services.

Interesting though.

[Herbert Anchovy]

  Back to Farage, he is running a fantastic election campaign, nobody else is getting any exposure in the media, the odd little quip but the main story is Farage, some hate him but he is gathering support around the country, and every news cast and TV political subjects are mainly what he says and his slant on what is happening, and he knows for everyone that call him out two think he is the only one saying it how it is. and has the advantage over Labour and the Tories of never making a bollox of it previously like those two have repeatedly.
   He has another page on this thread over the weekend while the thread devoted to Starmer is stuck on seven pages in seven months which he has overtook in three weeks, mainly due to Starmer having nothing to say, he only ever criticises others after the event as he basically does nothing in speeches or actually, a grey man with a dangerous silent programme of events to come.
  If it is true that there is no such thing as bad publicity, BST ,Syd and friends are doing a stirling job of projecting him on here.

Selby, I'll tell you where I struggle with Farage. I genuinely cannot think of one view/opinion/policy that he has that I agree with or that I think is good for the majority of people in the country.

Over the years I have always voted Labour or Lib Dem, and in the past I've considered voting Tory before they moved too far to the right. However, I can't see any advantages to voting for Farage/Reform.

To me he's a very good populist politician who plays on the fears of the populace for his own political gain.

Which of his policies do you find most attractive?

[ravenrover]

  Syd, who I vote for is between me and the ballot box, that is why they have private booths for you to fill your slip in, so nobody can intimidate you.
  What I will say is that the best candidate on the ballot paper is the Socialist Democratic Party in my ward, who also stood I think for the Lord mayor of South Yorkshire, but the popular vote as usual in South Yorkshire didn't get past the monkey in red despite their awful record in local government.
  What I cannot understand that in spite of posing as a political animal on here, when it comes to basics on how to vote you seem to be lacking in basic knowledge of the procedure, or are you just another educated ( that's questionable, but hey I will give you the benefit of the doubt) idiot, or just a downright rude nosy bugger.

Sectet ballots, private booths? Has Hunt with silent C forgotten that, splashing photo of his wife casting her postal vote.
Isn't that illegal?

[Ldr]

  Syd, who I vote for is between me and the ballot box, that is why they have private booths for you to fill your slip in, so nobody can intimidate you.
  What I will say is that the best candidate on the ballot paper is the Socialist Democratic Party in my ward, who also stood I think for the Lord mayor of South Yorkshire, but the popular vote as usual in South Yorkshire didn't get past the monkey in red despite their awful record in local government.
  What I cannot understand that in spite of posing as a political animal on here, when it comes to basics on how to vote you seem to be lacking in basic knowledge of the procedure, or are you just another educated ( that's questionable, but hey I will give you the benefit of the doubt) idiot, or just a downright rude nosy bugger.

Sectet ballots, private booths? Has Hunt with silent C forgotten that, splashing photo of his wife casting her postal vote.
Isn't that illegal?

Despite what you want the answer to be, no it isnt

[Sprotyrover]

  Syd, who I vote for is between me and the ballot box, that is why they have private booths for you to fill your slip in, so nobody can intimidate you.
  What I will say is that the best candidate on the ballot paper is the Socialist Democratic Party in my ward, who also stood I think for the Lord mayor of South Yorkshire, but the popular vote as usual in South Yorkshire didn't get past the monkey in red despite their awful record in local government.
  What I cannot understand that in spite of posing as a political animal on here, when it comes to basics on how to vote you seem to be lacking in basic knowledge of the procedure, or are you just another educated ( that's questionable, but hey I will give you the benefit of the doubt) idiot, or just a downright rude nosy bugger.

Sectet ballots, private booths? Has Hunt with silent C forgotten that, splashing photo of his wife casting her postal vote.
Isn't that illegal?

If you’re so upset About it make a complaint to the Poluce!

[SydneyRover]

  Syd, who I vote for is between me and the ballot box, that is why they have private booths for you to fill your slip in, so nobody can intimidate you.
  What I will say is that the best candidate on the ballot paper is the Socialist Democratic Party in my ward, who also stood I think for the Lord mayor of South Yorkshire, but the popular vote as usual in South Yorkshire didn't get past the monkey in red despite their awful record in local government.
  What I cannot understand that in spite of posing as a political animal on here, when it comes to basics on how to vote you seem to be lacking in basic knowledge of the procedure, or are you just another educated ( that's questionable, but hey I will give you the benefit of the doubt) idiot, or just a downright rude nosy bugger.

Did I ask you whom you are voting fore selby?

I just thought you could provide more information about the man you spend so much of your time in admiration is all.

[SydneyRover]

  Syd, who I vote for is between me and the ballot box, that is why they have private booths for you to fill your slip in, so nobody can intimidate you.
  What I will say is that the best candidate on the ballot paper is the Socialist Democratic Party in my ward, who also stood I think for the Lord mayor of South Yorkshire, but the popular vote as usual in South Yorkshire didn't get past the monkey in red despite their awful record in local government.
  What I cannot understand that in spite of posing as a political animal on here, when it comes to basics on how to vote you seem to be lacking in basic knowledge of the procedure, or are you just another educated ( that's questionable, but hey I will give you the benefit of the doubt) idiot, or just a downright rude nosy bugger.

Sectet ballots, private booths? Has Hunt with silent C forgotten that, splashing photo of his wife casting her postal vote.
Isn't that illegal?

Despite what you want the answer to be, no it isnt

Electoral commission X

''Hi, postal ballot papers are treated differently in electoral law to polling station ballot papers. You are allowed to take photos of your own postal ballot paper and publicise it (including via social media) as long as you don’t reveal how anyone else is voting''

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1dmrs97/jeremy_hunt_marriage_safe_got_the_wifes_vote_x/?rdt=44339

[SydneyRover]

  Back to Farage, he is running a fantastic election campaign, nobody else is getting any exposure in the media, the odd little quip but the main story is Farage, some hate him but he is gathering support around the country, and every news cast and TV political subjects are mainly what he says and his slant on what is happening, and he knows for everyone that call him out two think he is the only one saying it how it is. and has the advantage over Labour and the Tories of never making a bollox of it previously like those two have repeatedly.
   He has another page on this thread over the weekend while the thread devoted to Starmer is stuck on seven pages in seven months which he has overtook in three weeks, mainly due to Starmer having nothing to say, he only ever criticises others after the event as he basically does nothing in speeches or actually, a grey man with a dangerous silent programme of events to come.
  If it is true that there is no such thing as bad publicity, BST ,Syd and friends are doing a stirling job of projecting him on here.

''Farage said the newspaper, which has often been supportive of him in the past, was “collaborating with the Kremlin to protect the dying Conservative party”, also lashing out at Boris Johnson for joining condemnation of his comments about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/24/nigel-farage-attacks-mail-newspapers-over-putin-ally-reports

each to their own I guess

[Ldr]

  Syd, who I vote for is between me and the ballot box, that is why they have private booths for you to fill your slip in, so nobody can intimidate you.
  What I will say is that the best candidate on the ballot paper is the Socialist Democratic Party in my ward, who also stood I think for the Lord mayor of South Yorkshire, but the popular vote as usual in South Yorkshire didn't get past the monkey in red despite their awful record in local government.
  What I cannot understand that in spite of posing as a political animal on here, when it comes to basics on how to vote you seem to be lacking in basic knowledge of the procedure, or are you just another educated ( that's questionable, but hey I will give you the benefit of the doubt) idiot, or just a downright rude nosy bugger.

Sectet ballots, private booths? Has Hunt with silent C forgotten that, splashing photo of his wife casting her postal vote.
Isn't that illegal?

Despite what you want the answer to be, no it isnt

Electoral commission X

''Hi, postal ballot papers are treated differently in electoral law to polling station ballot papers. You are allowed to take photos of your own postal ballot paper and publicise it (including via social media) as long as you don’t reveal how anyone else is voting''

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/1dmrs97/jeremy_hunt_marriage_safe_got_the_wifes_vote_x/?rdt=44339

From your Bible

Since the rules around photography are to do with maintaining secrecy in a polling station or polling place, that is not a consideration with postal voting. A spokesperson for the Electoral Commission confirmed that “a postal voter may take a picture of their own postal ballot paper and publicise, including via social media” even if it shows how they have voted.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/08/is-it-illegal-to-take-a-selfie-while-voting-in-a-polling-station

[SydneyRover]

Does my post say anything different?

[Bristol Red Rover]

NC, you didn't answer the question I asked, for the 2nd time, in the first para several posts back. And then you ask me a question. One at a time - try, you answer, then you ask. Don't answer and I cba back at ya.

It makes them less vulnerable as it stops actors of a hostile state that holds theirs in disdain for future domination acting on their soil.

Allowing the Russian war machine to operate at full strength makes them vulnerable further down the line.

Your turn.

It makes them stand out as blocking a region from getting supplies. *If* Russia were to want to venture further West, and there is zero indication of that, that would make them number one targets. On the side of weakening Russia, in what way do you see that as having happened?

[Ldr]

Does my post say anything different?

Just confirming with something more “reliable” than reddit

[SydneyRover]

Does my post say anything different?

Just confirming with something more “reliable” than reddit

The text was from the EC, posted on reddit

[Bristol Red Rover]

NC,  I agree that if the Baltic states weren't in NATO, they would be vulnerable, especially Lithuania after carrying out its actions. But they are in NATO.

[ravenrover]

Does my post say anything different?

Just confirming with something more “reliable” than reddit

So I'll ask again
Because Hunt with a silent C took the photo and posted it on social media does that make it illegal?
Even if I did or did not want it to be so

[drfchound]

I haven’t seen this photo that is being bandied about.
Is is just a picture of someone with a ballot paper or a picture of where the X was put.

[ravenrover]

It's taken over her shoulder as she has put the X in it's place
The photo now appears to have vanished from his X account but here it is with the following comment from Chris Bryant referring to it's breaking of electoral law
The circumstances referred to in subsection (3A)(c) are where V is about to mark, is in the process of marking, or has just marked, a ballot paper sent to V for voting by post at the election."

[SydneyRover]

It's taken over her shoulder as she has put the X in it's place
The photo now appears to have vanished from his X account but here it is with the following comment from Chris Bryant referring to it's breaking of electoral law
The circumstances referred to in subsection (3A)(c) are where V is about to mark, is in the process of marking, or has just marked, a ballot paper sent to V for voting by post at the election."

A lot of the media are saying hunt deleted the photo due to the EC rules.

[drfchound]

It's taken over her shoulder as she has put the X in it's place
The photo now appears to have vanished from his X account but here it is with the following comment from Chris Bryant referring to it's breaking of electoral law
The circumstances referred to in subsection (3A)(c) are where V is about to mark, is in the process of marking, or has just marked, a ballot paper sent to V for voting by post at the election."

Cheers for that raven.
I wondered what all the fuss was about.
It doesn’t actually show an X on the paper does it so if it is illegal to publish a picture of someone’s ballot sheet with a clear picture of who they voted for I guess there isn’t a case to answer.
It would seem logical though who she would vote for anyway.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I thought this was some sort of parody when I first read it, but no!

https://x.com/JulianMalins/status/1783512776247275582

This is the RefUK candidate for Salisbury.

I know the Faragists (nice French name...) are all about harking back to some mythical Golden Age before all the bloody foreigners came over here, but I didn't realise they got shirty about the Norman Conquest.