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It seems that there is a consensus of opinion that we're not in a \"crisis,\" which I think is quite correct, but a forum would be pretty boring without an opening post from which to spark a discussion wouldn't it?
For my part, I think \"crisis\" is the wrong word, but we are at something of a crossroads which from what I've heard is a point that is recognised by the board. The summer has only just started so it's no time to be pressing any panic button, but can anyone honestly say they are not looking forward to a bit of good news on retaining more of the key out of contract players, Oster in particular?
By letting contracts run out in the way that we do, we are exposed to the potential for a mini-crisis, if that's what you'd prefer to call it. The modern game is increasingly reliant on a strong squad of players and right now we would struggle to get a first eleven from our contracted players, let alone a full squad. Compare it to where we've come from in the last decade and we're in dreamland obviously, but looking at the current position we have reached something of a crossroads. Our management and our better players will understandably attract interest from other clubs and ideally we'd surely like to tie people down to some longer term contracts (including several players that are entering their last year) and then build on that, otherwise you have to almost start again which is not ideal.
Crisis? I'd say Cardiff are in a crisis, maybe Pompey, Hull City are in a money crisis.Doncaster Rovers were a small, well run club who have refused to be held to ransome by players last time I looked?! Has Richardson taken the club back? Are we having to pick players up at Watford gap before matches next season? I think people are getting a bit unrealistic.
Look, it's all fine and dandy to have debates on a football forum but some folk would rather have intelligent debates. Posting drivel like 'were in a me-me crisis' deserved the very short shrift it got. Put your brain in gear first next time.Posting should be a bit like driving - mirror, signal, manoevre. Put another way: determine problem, come up with a constructive opinion, then post. Read post preview. If in doubt, press cancel.Players' contracts tend to run for three years on average, often less. That means that a third of the players at EVERY club will expire each season. Folk who whine about Greeny leaving for nothing conveniently forget that he wasn't worthy of a contract renewal for the first half of his final season because he played well below par.Should we have kept Roberts in a job till he was 50? Sometimes you have to let them go and if the offer from Derby was that good we couldn't have kept him anyway. Do you think that his agent hasn't been speaking with other clubs for the whole of the past year?Players agents decide when it's time for a player to move on and frequently encourage them to let their contracts run down. It gives them huge bargaining power and although we lose players to the system, we also gain them. Did we not raid Bournemouth and Rotherham?You're a fool if you think that the Rovers don't have discussions with players' agents about contract renewals well in advance. Club's don't dictate to agents you know!Shackell's agent did a brilliant job for his man. Sharpe's agent will do the best deal he possibly can for his man, too.And while you're posting endless, 'worth a punt' threads, doesn't it ever cross your mind that you're happy with the current contract situation, or do you want to be the one club in the league that's allowed to play by a different set of rules.Anyway, I think we should be scouring the Universe for talent, ideally creatures that are at least 8 feet tall and have three or more legs. In fact I hear we're in for an octopus. How stupid is that?Or would you like me to post a stupid thread like that every hour until I grow bored - which won't be until August?
\"Players' contracts tend to run for three years on average, often less. \" Sounds like a contradiction in terms to me, but mirror, signal, eh?Err, which part of the word 'average' do you not understand? Hence 'three years on average' invariably means some contracts are for more than 3 years, others less, hence my use of the term 'often'. The only contradiction to me appears in the use of a pseudonym like 'savvy'.Distinct lack of savvy more like it...Re: Alan's suggestion that it doesn't take crazy spending to make the Premiership, no it didn't in this one-off case. As it's such an easy thing to do can we expect a dozen or so teams to actually cut back on their outlay so that they can get promoted next year?What I don't understand is why a tin pot club doesn't get promoted to the Premiership EVERY season.Mind you, if we did make it I would expect to see complaints about us not competing in the market for the world's best players, that we should be taking a gamble on reaching the Champions League and that we should sack both the manager and the board because we happened to be facing relegation.Any theory that player purchases would expand the fan base should be considered against the quality of the squad we have today. It's probably better than at any point in my lifetime although crowds do not remotely compare with the 25,000 against Burnley, 22,000 against Darlington, 17,000 against Notts County or the five in a row in excess of 15,000 back in 1965.We have 10,000 fans. Face facts. The best average in the 1960's was 10,500. It's never been bigger than that until the past two seasons and then only just. A drop in season ticket sales does not necessarily indicate a forthcoming drop in attendances. It might just be that folk are skint, struggling, worried, finding things hard and that the arrival of Fabrigas and Kaka might make little difference.However, it goes without saying that this is the best crisis I can ever remember and I can't wait for it to deepen at this rate!
Players' contracts tend to run for three years on average, often less. That means that a third of the players at EVERY club will expire each season. Folk who whine about Greeny leaving for nothing conveniently forget that he wasn't worthy of a contract renewal for the first half of his final season because he played well below par.
RobTheRover wrote:QuoteRovin Reporter.... you are so wide of the mark its untrue.1) Name the 10 out of contract players.2) Yes, Roberts has gone, and with the club's blessing. We will get a younger, better player to replace Gareth.3) We met Wolves valuation of Shackell and offered him a good wage package, but Barnsley came in with an UTTERLY RIDICULOUS wage package. The lad couldnt possibly say no to what they are paying him.4) Was Oster not a significant signing? I think he has eclipsed Wellens' achievements, so we actually improved after Wellens went. And when that happened loads on here (myself included) felt it was the end of the world....5) We nearly lost our manager because he is doing the right things? Jesus wept, would you rather he did the wrong things? Of course he is going to be on other club's radars, just as the best performing players are monitored. As Sean says, thats football. Cant get worked up about it.6) Not sure what your final point is. I dont think too many clubs will be thrilled at getting relegated, even with the new parachute payments in place. The rest is just random words. YOU are the administrator .of what? try engaging in the question, i said 8 9.or 10 players if YOU know then just say so , it was mentioned on the radio that we had 10 . John Oster was 6 months signing then another 6....Why ? MONEY? what players where we have spent money have we still got ?( if you know how many say so!)as for \" SO'D AND the right things \" it is for that reason i was stating it!! do you actually understand any of the points made ? ( i very mush doubt)i am a supporter and your reply comments make me feel in no doubt that i should have my bumps felt for daring voicing anything like an opinion on this site site . YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR THOUGHTs TO YOUR SELF or JUSTIFY , LIKE ME FOR GOING IT ,IF ALL YOU CAN DO IS TALK IS DRIVEL because this reprents that IGNORANCE I S NOT JUST JUST A LACK OF FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE, HIGHLIGHTING AN INADEQUACEY YOU HAVE, IT IS ALSO YOUR RUDENESS AND BEING UNCIVIL TO OTHERS .. prick!!!!!!!!!
Rovin Reporter.... you are so wide of the mark its untrue.1) Name the 10 out of contract players.2) Yes, Roberts has gone, and with the club's blessing. We will get a younger, better player to replace Gareth.3) We met Wolves valuation of Shackell and offered him a good wage package, but Barnsley came in with an UTTERLY RIDICULOUS wage package. The lad couldnt possibly say no to what they are paying him.4) Was Oster not a significant signing? I think he has eclipsed Wellens' achievements, so we actually improved after Wellens went. And when that happened loads on here (myself included) felt it was the end of the world....5) We nearly lost our manager because he is doing the right things? Jesus wept, would you rather he did the wrong things? Of course he is going to be on other club's radars, just as the best performing players are monitored. As Sean says, thats football. Cant get worked up about it.6) Not sure what your final point is. I dont think too many clubs will be thrilled at getting relegated, even with the new parachute payments in place. The rest is just random words.
Re: Alan's suggestion that it doesn't take crazy spending to make the Premiership, no it didn't in this one-off case. As it's such an easy thing to do can we expect a dozen or so teams to actually cut back on their outlay so that they can get promoted next year?What I don't understand is why a tin pot club doesn't get promoted to the Premiership EVERY season.
I can't agree that Blackpool was a one-off - what the hell was Burnley last season, then? They hardly spent mega-bucks did they? Patterson was their biggest single layout (£1m?) and again, proved to be an inspired piece of business.
Fully agree with your points in general, but on the specifics of Green's case, you're being a tad unfair. Green was on the bench for every single one of the first 20 league matches of that season, so it's a bit harsh to call his performances \"below-par\".Billy, at the risk of you using Heffs to support your case ('Save us from that old chestnut' cries Waldorf!), not making the first team for 20 consecutive games kind of proves my point, doesn't it? Without wishing to detract from his 'legend' status, Green gave fantastic service to this club through the lower divisions. Would he have walked into the team last year? Has he made an amazing impact at Derby and furthered his career? Had he not been out of contract and therfore commanded a transfer fee, would Derby have splashed out so much on his wages? Probably not. Would we pay half a million to have him back next season...?Would we take him on a free and offer £6K per week over 3 years (ie: best part of a million quid)?It boils down to agents again. It was clearly in the players' best interest to run down his contract and move on to the highest bidder.The 'get rid of Guy' crowd were all for ripping up contracts and the hell with honour, yet they demand it in return.How many of the team that won promotion at Wembley will turn out next season in August? How many that came up through League Two? Or the Conference?Football is contantly in a state of flux and change. Players come, players go. Everyone loses the odd 'star' player, their heroes, but if you're lucky, like us, the strength of the overall squad continues to improve. No-one complained when we used the same system to tempt players like Wellens and Woods on free transfers.There's something called 'the emotional cycle of change'. It affects all things in life but seldom does it fluctuate quite so quickly as it does for football fans between seasons. What we have here isn't a mimi crisis, or even a me-me crisis, it's an emotional crisis, fuelled by impatience, jealousy and greed.Oh, and a distinct lack of intelligence and maturity...Yeah mostly yours! You always know when someones lost the arguement when they resort to personal insult so don't be surprised when you get one back.As for the rest of your diatribe, its nothing more than conjecture really is it?;-)